Mowatt Red Card

The frivolous appeal rule isn't intended as a means of punishing clubs who appeal a debatable red it's to punish clubs who appeal solely to delay the suspension with no grounds for appeal but put one in anyway

 

This is what I said in another thread. We can't have it both ways. If an opposition player had made the same tackle and not been sent off then there would be uproar on here. In the modern game it's a red card! I'm gutted for Mowatt but it's a chance for Kane to come into the side now!

 

Daft comparison . Have another think.
Not unless he jumps in with both feet. You do know the difference I assume.

 

It does emphasise how important Mowatt is to us that so many are desperate to find a way to unsuspend him. It was nothing but a daft challenge without malice but he went in in a way the FA is determined to cut out. I've seen them not given in matches but once someone is sent off for one it'll never be rescinded. Neither of the two examples that were rescinded are very similar to his and the ref had a clear view from 5 yards away.

Sorry, but he's out for 3 games. Don't hold out for a tribunal miracle. Trust in Val and move on.

 

Does anyone know if an appeal has been lodged by the club?

 

The interesting point for me was wondering why none of the teams were really trying..,, I’m really spoilt by the effort my team shows at the moment.... and I think Mowatts was a yellow for a miss timed tackle, but we’ll probably get a 12 point deduction...

 

According to this we have appealed.


https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/sport/football/news/barnsley-key-man-sheffield-wednesday-20206969

 

Where, in the rules of the game, does it say anything about two feet being off the ground either being a foul or a sending off offence? Having both feet off the ground when tackling is not a red card offence. When human beings run they have, during the cycle of that action, two feet off the ground at some stage. That's the definition of running as opposed to walking, where you always have at least one foot in contact with the ground at all times. It would be difficult to transition from a run to a tackle and not have two feet off the ground at some point. The rules are concerned with excessive force and endangering the safety of a player. Like many things in football, that is subjective, but in my opinion Mowatt didn't display anything of the sort. And I disagree with the claim that I would want an opposition player sent off for a similar challenge. Mowatt got the ball, I don't believe he touched their player, who I believe was play acting. My opinion of the challenge wouldn't change whoever made it and whoever the ball was won from.

If you don't believe you're in control when you have two feet off the ground then anyone whoever runs is out of control and that demonstrably isn't true. Nor are we out of control when we jump. Or when we tackle. We're agile beings with excellent spatial awareness who are able to control our bodies even when in the air, because we literally do it all the time, within weeks of learning to walk, whenever we're active. That's why there is no reference to this in the rules of the game. That's why it's specific and refers to excessive force and endangering the opposition player. Mowatt did neither, he simply won the ball, while being in control, with an adequate amount of force to take the ball from the opposition, control it and keep it at his feet.

 

I’m answer to your question @Jay , to which I think you know the answer, it doesn’t.

definitely a case to argue here

 

Anybody know when the appeal will be heard?

 

Rules say if you jump at it’s a foul, from there it then becomes if either of the below have occurred, I’m not convinced we can win an appeal on the jump bit, so it comes down to if which ever the Ref cites can be overturned.

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• Reckless is when a player acts with disregard to the danger to, or consequences for, an opponent and must be cautioned
  
  
• Using excessive force is when a player exceeds the necessary use of force and endangers the safety of an opponent and must be sent off

 

You're right, it's subjective. The ref was 5 yards away and staring right at the incident. In his opinion it was a red. They won't undermine him, especially when it's the type of challenge Mowatt made. He left the ground, lunged in and was not in full control. The FA has been trying to eliminate these tackles for years. The challenges people have shown that were overturned were cases where 2 players slid in together. In this case Mowatt dived in at a standing player.

I'm not saying Mowatt was malicious or dangerous in his attempt. I'm saying they'll never overturn it.

Interestingly on a Reddit thread yesterday nearly everyone except a handful of Barnsley fans said it was a nailed on red. I think many folk here are blinded by the desperation they have not to lose Mowatt. I don't want to lose him either, but realistically we already have.

 

I don't think we'll win the appeal but I've seen far worse and more dangerous tackles go completely unpunished.

 

I'd say Mowatt's is somewhere in between the 2 that were rescinded and the 2 that weren't.

The Bolton ones, the first looks like a 50/50 where one player has come off worse. The referee has definitely reacted to the protests. The 2nd Bolton one isn't even a foul.

The two which stood, you can certainly see why they were given as red cards. Its whether Mowatt is deemed in control is where it could fall down for me. Albeit briefly, he does leave the ground.

That being said, the more I see it, the softer it looks.

You can't argue with the referee giving a red in real time, I thought straight away it was a red card. Same with the penalty, I shouted for it straight away. Its only having seen a few replays that contact looks minimal.

 

Yep. Presumably because the ref had a clear view and adjudged those challenges ok. Same reason this won't be overturned.

Obviously there are also fouls that get missed. If the officials don't see it and neither manager reports it to the 4th official then an incident may well not be looked at again.

 

I don’t think an appeal will succeed, I hope it does but I can’t see the ref being told he got that wrong when he’s only seen it in real time.
My hope rests on that Mowatt didn’t lunge at the player he lunged at the ball. At the moment of lunging, the player was to the left of the ball from Mowatt’s perspective and not in possession.
Straws firmly grasped here.

 

I called it as a Red in real time. I said "idiot" as it happened.

 

Sorry don't agree, there was no intent, it looked like he went with one foot and then slipped on his other one that then resulted in two feet to me

 

Yeah two left ones