Medical Coercion

So it's not a 'simple question' after all then? (See post #1)

 

He'll get back to you in another 100 posts time when the **** has been stirred a little more.

 

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/older-drinkers-risk-discrimination-says-164849785.html

So not only are you forced to prove your status soon, at the moment you are already discriminated against if you don't have a smartphone.

 

You are already discriminated against if you don't have a smartphone - you effectively need one to register for Universal Credit and various other government sites.

 

The amount of "anonymised data" literally stolen from mobile phones by corporate organisations is absolutely frightening.

 

Saying it’s a 20% fatality rate is more than a little bit misleading. The current risk of blood clots is around 4 per million, with around 1 of those instances of clotting resulting in death. So the absolute risk is around 25% of 0.0004%. Which, on an individual level, is a minuscule risk. I’m not trying to play it down or call people silly for worrying, and those sorts of numbers absolutely matter at a population level, but people need to be able to make an informed decision so it’s important we talk about the risk in the right way.

And calling it ‘experimental’ makes it sounds like someone’s cooked up a batch in their kitchen and is going round sticking it into random arms to see what happens. It’s been through clinical trials, the evidence has been assessed, it’s been approved for use by the MHRA.

On the broader point about medical coercion, I can definitely see an argument for needing proof of vaccination for international travel and it wouldn’t surprise me if we see that in place for the short to medium term. I think vaccine ‘passports’ for attending events/going to the boozer etc are a daft idea and I suspect have come about as a result of the Tories trying to appease the libertarian wing of the party who want everything open immediately, while also trying to maintain a veneer of ‘following the science’ for the inevitable public enquiry.

Jury’s out on vaccination being required for those that work with vulnerable people. I think if the evidence emerges that being vaccinated does significantly reduce transmission then there’s definitely a case to be made for care workers needing to be jabbed before working with vulnerable people, but I think that would be better achieved through good comms and engagement setting out the case as to why it’s important rather than making it compulsory. You’d imagine that most folk in care work do it because they want to help people so you’d hope this’d be an easy argument to make.

 

You should be embarrassed for saying “20% fatality rate” I’ve never heard anything so stupid in my entire life and with those 3 words you’ve destroyed any other point you’ve made in that post and any post you may make in the future. Absolutely ridiculous.

 

And if you don’t have a smartphone or an email address, your work coach can get you a phone and some support to set one up. Because it’s 2021 and 90% of advertised vacancies are going to expect you to apply electronically.

But that misses the actual point; which is that there’s already been a backlash re needing a smartphone for vaccination certificates (whether they actually become a requirement or not).

Personally I’m betting that any travel restrictions will be based on testing not vaccination. Which is a shame, cos I’ve had both my jabs and testing will cost me a fair amount of cash if we do get to leave the country this year.

 

Is it the case that if you don't get a blood clot within the first few weeks after the vaccine then you're out of the woods and the risk reverts to normal, or is the risk elevated for the rest of your life? Because there's a massive difference between 4 per million, and say 4 per million per month.

I'm not trying to imply that this is the case, it's just a genuine question.

 

I’m pretty sure it’s 4 vaccinated people developing a clot at any time per million doses given. So, from every million people having the AZ vaccine, four will develop a clot of some description. It’s related to an immune response where your platelets become activated in areas they shouldn’t. I should stress I’m 100% not a Dr but I think that the immune response is a result of the vaccine at that time so you’d develop symptoms fairly soon after receiving it. I don’t think this particular condition means there’s any increased likelihood of having the jab and then developing a blood clot in ten years for example.

 

Lib Dems should be getting plenty of votes next month in the local elections.

 

Wife's a nurse and knows of one bloke here in Barnsley with serious blood clot trouble post-jab.

Makes me wonder .

Wonder if he'd be afflicted anyway.
Wonder if the figures they're dishing out are accurate.
Wonder if it's right that you're 8 times more likely to get a clot from covid itself.

I don't wonder whether i should turn up for my 2nd AZ jab though.

Wife's an expert on clots, she says, whilst staring at me.

 

Deaths from Covid: 3 million from 140 million cases. Around 2%.

DEETEE: Restrictions are stupid. It's nothing to worry about.

Deaths from AstraZeneca Vaccine: 19 from around 50 million doses. Around 0.000038%.

DEETEE: Writes a novel about how this is an outrage.

You've really got your priorities right. You're just desperate for the vaccine not to be effective so restrictions carry on and you can say "I told you so" aren't you? That's all I can think it could be for how ridiculous this is.

 

Or he's enjoying the friction this causes and nipping back every so often to ensure it keeps going...

 

Fair point. I stopped reading any Covid related posts for a while because I realised I've got more chance teaching my toaster to tap dance than anybody changing their mind.

I can't help but get pulled back in though when I see something so ridiculously stupid.

 

Im sure he believes what he's writing, but why create a thread that you know is going to be divisive then only contribute once or twice to it? Can only draw one conclusion.

 

I think he’s in a state of absolute terror from a perceived lack of control and so lashes out at everyone, constantly catastrophises and mocks everyone else for being ‘scared’ (like how the biggest homophobes tend to be gay and hiding it). He’s really worried that restrictions might stay for ever and has read so much in his echo chamber he’s now at the point that he believes the Tories are going to start a eugenics programme to keep controlling people. He’s scared of taking the vaccine and so does big rants about how people are being coerced because that’s how he feels even though the only ‘coercion’ that has actually happened so far is the announcement every so often that a new age group can book theirs *if they want to*. You can tell he’s worried by the fact he gives (really exaggerated) excuses (e.g. 20% ffs) for why he’s not having it rather than just deciding not to bother, being comfortable in his decision and just leaving it at that. It’s like he’s seeking reassurance he’s made the right choice. For someone who goes on so much about others living in fear, he doesn’t half seem to be worried.

 

He’s been a moron, but to be fair I think you’d absolutely spunk at the chance to have us locked down forever

 

Ridiculous. Nobody wants that. Why on earth would they?!

 

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