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  1. fre

    fred dibnah Active Member

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    Worse than it being the taxpayer is if it's someone who donated the money to be rewarded for instance with multimillion pound covid contracts un scrutinised or other favours for a favour, not just sleaze but corruption
     
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    upthecolliers Well-Known Member

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    Can't you see the mans a complete and utter fraud and if he is allowed to get away with his childish action's then this country deserves to be flushed down the **** hole.
    Starmer made him look like an idiot today like he does every Wednesday at 12 0 clock, it's unbelievable that anyone with a brain would vote for Johnson and his gang of crooks.
     
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    Donny-Red Well-Known Member

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    Unfortunately you’ve got a point. The fact that the prime minister of the U.K. is open to be compromised for the sake of new wallpaper is irrelevant to millions of people who now just assume that all public servants are corrupt.
    But isn’t that really terrible?
    That our PM lies continually and he gets away with it, not because people believe the lies, but that they no longer care?

    And more! Just crass? Over a hundred thousand bereaved families, and politicians can brush away their responsibility and it doesn’t matter.

    The fact that you believe this is unimportant, and that millions of others do too, is what makes it worse.

    What would Boris have to do in order to lose your confidence? I’m reminded of Trumps assertion that he could shout someone in the street and still get elected.
     
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    Scoff Well-Known Member

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    I have a theory about Alexander Johnson. To his friends and family, he is Alex, but to the public he is "Boris". Boris is an act - the rogue who wrecks everything he has been into contact with and then bullies or lies his way out of it. Never been told no and unable to control his temper when someone says "no" to him.

    Over the years, the Boris act has become more and more dominant and is now probably "him" - but Boris is a nasty, vile character with psychopathic traits (not always a bad thing in a leader) who only thinks about Boris. Its all about who he can get to pay.

    Alexander can quite happily stand in front of you and deny anything that Boris has done or said - because Boris said them, not Alexander.

    People say that Boris looks like he would be fun to have a drink with - he might, but he'd spend all night spouting rubbish while drinking the most expensive champagne and leave you to pay the bill.
     
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    I think we are just supposed to accept that Boris is a bit of a rogue and we voted for him knowing this.

    I got dogs abuse last year off of friends for calling out exactly what is being printed now and the way our money was being siphoned off to tory donors and used as bribes to get stuff done for Johnson.

    I might be a bit more invested than some as a local Councillor but it was absolutely blatant that the delays and bluster were designed to favour people looking to make money over saving lives.

    I get that the economy is important and people didn't always agree with lockdown but to delay then have an extended lockdown only made things worse for businesses.

    After 10 years of failed austerity to see millions going to the health secretary's local landlord with no experience in what he was getting it for really did show the brazen lack of care this lot have for the majority of the electorate.

    When billions have been spent passed via middle men with no real role other than to take their greedy cut we should all be angry and asking why good businesses were ignored in favour of more expensive less effective contracts.
     
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    Donny-Red Well-Known Member

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    I do think we’re missing the story here though.

    But I don’t know yet what the story is.

    A month ago, we knew Boris was a liar and a fraud, but other than a few Grauniad articles the MSM couldn’t have cared less, every week Keir Starmer showed him up to be a fraud, no one was interested. Now all of a sudden, Boris’ failings are not only interesting, they’re career threatening. Why? What’s changed?
     
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    As if a few hours this afternoon wasn't enough you have Laura Kuenssberg wasting a chance to ask a coronavirus question at a coronavirus briefing. If you need some salt for your tequila Matt Hancock has some.



    She's tried to put her point across but she probably wishes she hadn't looking at the replies.



    Those who supported her wasting briefing time have had it from people too.





     
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    There's yer answer.
     
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    Some believe the real Tory leaders have allowed Boris to be the whipping boy who will take the fall for Brexit etc and now Brexit is ‘complete’ they no longer have a need for him and this is just the start of replacing him.
    I believe some people on here also predicted this last year.
     
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    Shame there couldn’t be a follow-up question along the lines of, but why can the PM use the same platform to attack the Mayor of London on non-Covid topic.
     
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    John Peachy Well-Known Member

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    Boris will only get kicked of the Tory Party when his popularity ratings fall below Starmer for a bunch of months. The night of the long knives will commence. It seems to me Cummings will have made sure he had **** loads on Johnson. There will be "talks" behind the scenes about non disclosure that I'm sure are going on.
     
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    I'm about as far from a fan of Boris as you can get, but let's not pretend that weighing the value of lives against the economy is something that only despots do. It's something that every government has to do in a variety of contexts and I'm sure you aren't arguing that you can't put a price on human lives because governments can, and they must.
     
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    They can’t and won’t wait until his popularity dips that far, it makes no sense because he drags the party with him.

    This is surely the beginning of his end, but how do they drive it forward? And more importantly who TF is actually in charge here? Because it’s clearly not Boris, it might even be not the Tories.

    I’m not a conspiracy theorist by any stretch, but I’ve been scratching my head for a year that he’s getting away with murder, and now just as bafflingly he’s being ousted.
     
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    John Peachy Well-Known Member

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    The people driving everything forward are the Tory donors & most of the press. He is popular with a lot of people who don't really think about politics. He would take a lot to discredit, but I suspect Cummings may have enough, if he is not "bought off".
     
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    I agree but the difference here is that the decisions made weren't to save lives or we would have used the best people available to secure PPE etc. They didn't they used it to pass money to donors and friends.

    If you go through what the contracts were and who got them its blatant and did more harm than good.

    Nobody has any issue or very little issue if things are done correctly in a transparent way and things don't quite go right but when things are being hidden and contracts passed to people with no experience in what they were taking money for you have to take it that people are being lied to and greed prevailed where lives could and should have been saved.
     
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    You are mistaken. This is my analysis of the situation, not my personal opinion. I think it is utterly abhorrent that the bare-faced lie now appears to be the tool of choice for so many of our global leaders.
     
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    But he didn’t simply weigh lives against the economy.

    What he did cost lives and the economy. If you look at countries that managed the death rate best, they also had least financial damage.

    The way Johnson mismanaged Covid would be seen as at least incompetent, but it was worse than that, because he (they) actively sought opportunities to make money for mates. He didn’t simply waste lives to prop up the economy, he literally accepted increased deaths in order to line the pockets of party donors.

    And I actually wish that was an exaggeration, but it’s all factually correct.
     
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    I don't think it's baffling, it's how the tories have always worked. Doubt there were many people who follow politics who would have put their money on Johnson serving out a full term - with the hard part (legislatively) of Brexit done they'll want to move on before things get too dodgy. As soon as his successor is in place there'll be another big show of unity across the party and the press while the knives are sharpened again in the background.
     
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    Give an example, in peacetime, of a democratically elected government sanctioning the agonising death of thousands of its citizens in order to preserve the economy.
     
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    Decisions on NHS funding.
     
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