The Boris Bounce

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  1. Durkar Red

    Durkar Red Well-Known Member

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    According to some posting in this thread Kinnock must have been a left winger
     
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    It shows just how bad Labour have become. I thought the general election was a landslide but the Tories have won even more places now when historically the party in power don't do so well at local elections as it's a chance for voters that aren't happy to rebel a bit. A party responsible for deaths well in to six figures and putting our lives on hold for over a year and on about keeping some restrictions in place (like masks) and bringing in a domestic covid passport and people are voting for them.
     
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    That’s exactly what I’m saying, those who jumped ship up there feel the Labour Party betrayed them post referendum,,
    Comments about second referendums etc didn’t sit well
    If you think those voters have forgotten about that then I feel you are mistaken
    Edit, I’m not saying the campaigning was done on the back of brexit
     
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  4. dek

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    It’s irrelevant what arrangements the Swiss have, we were asked leave or remain, we were warned that leaving could mean severing all ties and conducting business on wto terms
    You are right, you didn’t misplace any secondary forms and this was because there wasn’t any as you well know.
    How we left was never the question
     
    dekparker, May 7, 2021
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    Corr (flipping) ect
     
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  6. stairfoot.red

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    He wasn't but like now the party was riddled with rampant left wingers who made the most noise and held Labour back
     
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  7. Marlon

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    The reasons why these labour voters were disgruntled , felt left out or whatever are nonsense when they turn round and say they voted Tory.
    Media puppets nothing more nothing less just folk that think they have their own minds when anyone with half a brain can see .
     
    Marlon, May 7, 2021
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  8. Loko the Tyke

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    I always find these threads an interesting read as it gives you a wide spectrum of views, opinions and sources despite it being ultimately depressing. I didn't have a local election but would have voted Labour, probably under duress, because as much as I quite like Starmer I know he would have locked down harder and for longer if given the chance and that's everything I'm against right now. But I couldn't bring myself to vote for the circus that's in power currently, and I don't know enough about anyone else. Maybe I just wouldn't have turned up at the poll station like so many others?

    However, and there's examples of this in this thread, extreme labels for all Tory voters simply don't help the cause. Calling people stupid, racist, knuckle dragging, etc does nothing to make those people think any differently. In reality it probably makes them less reluctant to lean back to your side of the debate. Yes some exist, but it isn't everyone. It isn't all. As much as we get 'loony lefty' jabs and 'commy Corbyn' digs, what I see from left wing voters is far more aggressive and scathing towards others than vice versa. When you've got a media that doesn't focus on what matters, doesn't ask the right questions, and doesn't report on facts, just labelling a whole section of society as something simply because they don't vote the same way as you won't endear them to sharing your political view point.

    We have to try and understand why the results went the way they did. Brexit is obviously a huge factor, but not everyone is supportive of the lockdowns we've seen and the vaccine rollout has been the only light at the end of the tunnel. For many people it could be a simple combination of not having a reason to vote Labour and not having confidence in Labour to have done a better job of the vaccine strategy. Add to that the stories in the media that not being in the EU allowed us to secure the number of vaccines we did, and I can bet for some that all the stories of corruption don't make a jot of difference vs. that big objective. And you can say 'what about the NHS' or 'what about teachers' but you're assuming that the voter has the same confidence as you do that they'd actually improve those areas (full disclosure I think they definitely would, but I'm just one example).

    I actually think it's way too early to judge Starmer and I'm also unsure what these local elections tell us. Campaigning hasn't really happened like it would have done in the past, all the noise is Covid and Brexit, and it's just a very surreal and weird world at the minute. As someone else mentioned, if we continue moving our way out of the pandemic successfully attention will then turn full circle to accountability, corruption, policies and the future. I honestly think right now a huge wave of important voters just want their lives back, and either didn't vote at all or didn't vote Labour. With the noises being positive about our economic recovery I think the elections have been a bit of a shrug of the shoulders.
     
    Loko the Tyke, May 7, 2021
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  9. Dan

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    Precisely, so as there was no agreed tenet of how to leave, a single will of the people was impossible to attain.

    We could have left and instantly rejoined, anything. The facts remain constant.
     
    DannyWilsonLovechild, May 7, 2021
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    And that is the exact attitude shared by many in the labour party and is why they keep losing. The it's not our fault it's the stupid voters to blame has worn a bit thin with many who voted labour.
     
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    I preferred Bob missen.
     
    MrsHallsToffeerolls, May 7, 2021
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    I get some reasons why some would have voted for them as they delivered Brexit that won the vote and we have one of the best vaccination programmes in the world. Keir isn't a good leader but he was dealt a bad hand trying to turn around the view of Labour after all the mud slung at Corbyn.
     
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    You’re a prime example of not having a clue and blaming the socialists when in fact most have stated that the labour party should go back to these policies .
    Corbyn had record votes for his policies and the the the detractors said we should hold to London centric middle class poultices which is what has lost us many northern votes but you continue to ignore that and out the blame wher it isn’t to suit your narrative .
     
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    Look well leave it there Danny,neither of us are gonna budge
     
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    We had the best vaccine programme precisely because the govt didn’t interfere as it did with PPE because the media would have crucified them .
     
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    we might have different brexit views but we agree “leave” was the option on the ballot and no how.

    If there had been I’d agree with the concept of a people’s will.

    anyway, enjoy your evening.
     
    DannyWilsonLovechild, May 7, 2021
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    LLLLTBWTBWTBWLLLL. It's not rocket science when the left stick their heads above the parapet Labour loose when it had a leader who shut them down it won. The facts don't lie
     
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    Tony Blair is the only person born in the last 100 years who has been elected as a Labour prime minister. Not sure that has any relevance but I just heard someone say it and thought it was a interesting little face. Carry on....
     
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    Are you Peter Mandelson?

     
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