Players I reckon will be off...

Eh?!

Thomas wasn't a success, although his mental health issues have obviously hindered him, Radlinger wasn't a success, wilks wasn't a success and nor was diaby.

The others have all contributed massively to our forward motion. To say otherwise is disingenuous.

 

Precisely, if we set the bar low enough, you can find something in every player.

Brek Shea.... that 2 fingered salute was achieved with both panache and vigour! A brilliant loan signing!

 

Brilliant signing, **** player on the pitch

 

Wilks has had a great season for Hull and will probley leave in the summer or next summer for a decent fee. Didnt get a massive chance here but had a poor attitude behind the scenes and made it known he wasn't happy at not starting games from.what I heard.

 

Of the 12, I'd say Andersen and Sibbick have categorically been good signings. A couple of the others the jury is very much out. And a couple of others rarely feature or can't even get in our match day squad. Several of the others have been shipped out already.

That doesn't quite get into the realms of flawless for me, but who knows what may happen in the future.

 

When you factor in the alleged wages, it becomes a lot less funny.

 

Who said I was laughing?

 

Whether they've left or not is irrelevant, without their contributions, this season or previous, we wouldn't have finished 5th this season, we possibly would have been back in league one. So, successful signings in my book.

And again, I said "pretty much flawless". I believe that allows me a degree of wiggle room

 

I picture you as a jovial soul, chuckling heartily at every twist and turn of a waking day. You're saying this isn't actually so? Well bugger, there goes my whole belief system! ;-)

 

You'd have more wiggle room if you hadn't used flawless ;-)

Given our owners mantra is to sell and replace with better, I'm not sure many of these signings will fetch much more than what they were signed for. That therefore has to be considered failure.

 

Their initial outlay for these strikers is higher because they are willing to invest in that potential.

 

But the success we've achieved through some of these players has generated revenue in other forms, increased season ticket sales and continued championship level money from the EFL, to name a couple.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, whatever we paid for Schmidt and Oduor was peanuts in comparison to what they saved us by keeping us up at the end of last season.

 

Just because they haven't played doesn't make them bad signings either. We've been fortunate enough to have a settled side since Struber came in.

 

Me neither but they've reaped in more dollar. Maybe they are willing to spend a bit more in spite of the division they were in?

 

But in the grand scheme of things, even though you could look on the face of it and say Oduor and Schmidt technically kept us up, they didn't. Wigan and Covid kept us up. Two things that were outside factors that couldn't have been imagined.

Its also worth remembering its very much possible to achieve something in spite of something, and not simply because of.

 

Covid affected every team and Wigan broke the rules, we didn't. How many goals did Moore score for Wigan that season? He should never have been playing for them. We stuck to the rules and as a result we ended on more points than Wigan. Schmidt and Oduor got the vital touches to make that happen.

 

As much as I've enjoyed this, I've got to go for a bit. Good discussion though

 

Wigan went into administration and were docked points accordingly. They could have carried on funding those losses. It could have happened the season after, the season before, 5 seasons before or never. We were outrageously lucky it happened at the exact moment we needed them. We also benefitted from covid. A 3 month reset to clear being punch drunk, silent stadiums and nobody on their backs.

We'll just have to have differing views on this. We were lucky. And there is nothing wrong in admitting that in my view.