What do people see in Schmidt?

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  1. Redarmy87

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  2. Jay

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    I'm a Barnsley fan not the fan of individual players. It's the club I want to see do well.

    As I watch Barnsley I form opinions on the players in our team. (I'm not unusual in doing this.) Some I rate highly, some are OK, some I don't rate much at all. Occasionally there are Barnsley players I really don't like. When this happens, and it's rare, it tends to be because I don't believe they're putting in the effort of which they're capable. There aren't any current Barnsley players I don't like, although neither Thomas nor Simoes endeared themselves to me with a couple of interviews they gave when out on loan.

    There are a few players we have I don't rate. Schmidt is one of them. It's not personal, I just don't think he's good enough at football at Championship level. I've seen him finish well on more than one occasion, he clearly has some skills, but I don't believe he has the talent to get into areas from where he can finish when up against Championship standard defenders.

    There's an argument that he should be given more opportunities in the first team. I don't want to see a place taken in the first team by someone who is not delivering. Every player has a bad game, but how many poor performances in a row do you allow just so you can say you've given someone a chance? If Schmidt is getting a chance then someone else isn't. Schmidt doesn't deserve a chance anymore than our other players. If he's given a chance and he takes it and plays well then yes, you obviously play him again. But if he doesn't and then doesn't again and then again, why would you keep playing him when there are alternatives? Should we have kept giving Schmidt a chance and not played Dike or Morris?

    I want our best players playing in the first team. I don't believe Scmidt is one of the best 11. That doesn't make me fickle, it makes me a Barnsley fan.
     
  3. Jack Tatty

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    My overriding memory of Scmidt is when we played Derby County away live on sky when it was Rooney's first game for them.

    Schmidt started the game and was subbed off after 52 minutes. Contributed nothing.
     
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    Victor is strong, fast, works hard and has a good attitude.

    I like him.
     
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    This is pretty much it.

    I dont dislike Schmidt, Simoes, Miller or Thomas.

    They just arent at our level
     
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    Victor will go clean through on goal in a big game and fluff his lines because he's crap. He gets an A for effort but he's still crap. I love him to bits nowt against him other than I think he's crap. There's one player Schmidt should be ahead of.
     
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    Gi 'or his goals against PNE and Derby were better than anything paddy has ever done!
     
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    I wasn't passing comment about Schmidt's ability. I was merely pulling you up on saying it was 'bundled over the line'. Because it wasn't. He took a touch away from Dawson, and steered it out of the keepers reach. It was technically a very good goal.
     
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    Schmidt
    Miller
    Adeboyejo
    Ritzmaier
    Simoes
    Thomas
    Chaplin
    Frieser
    Odour

    All the above not good enough & need moving on, that’s the harsh reality, but if we want to improve we need better quality
     
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    I'd rather have somebody who scuffs one in most weeks than someone who scores a cracker once every six months.
    Victor gives it everything but he's been fully tested at this level now and doesn't score enough goals.
     
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    Also when people discuss Adeboyejo and all his qualities i also remember the reaction to our liine up for the second leg at Swansea.
     
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    The point is that against Forest if we hadn"t scored in the last minute against them we were down thus giving us a chance in the last match at Brentford, to which Schmidt laid the winning goal on a plate for Odour, so given that he came off the bench at critical times he delivered & played a massive part in keeping us up .
     
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    You appear to suffer from selective memory loss given Schmid"t contributions against Forest & Brentford , these 2 final games were played with the ultimate pressure of relegation staring us in the face but the lad kept his nerve & delivered , give credit where credit is due , also we have carried Chaplin all season but because he had a brief purple patch the season before then nothing is said , if I had a choice I would much sooner hang on to Schmidt than Chaplin
     
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    Considering beyond Schmidt, the thing that should be obvious is we just have too many strikers/forwards.

    We have 2 very good ones in Woodrow and Morris. Then we have a lot of filler. Which sounds harsh because they can all offer something here and there. Simoes, Schmidt, Chaplin, Adeboyejo, Frieser... Thomas under an Ismael system would likely play up there. Then on the cusp/ untried/ trying to move on are Miller, Aitchison and Marsh.

    That's 11.

    11 forwards. That's lunacy. Its layering plus. And its eating up huge amounts of resource that make it harder to bring in better quality if we can't free up room. Some can still be squad players and cover for injuries and rotation and may well come good. But the difficulty will be in a dampened market, how do we rotate the squad at the bottom end instead of the top? Paying off contracts would be a huge loss. Not only the cost of those contracts, but also the writing off of the transfer fee.
     
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    His goal return is poor.
     
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    Victor has other attributes that put him.ahead of schmidt. Strength, he can actually beat a man, couple of good strikes this season shows he has ability, he actually gets involved in games. Schmidt is just a passenger 90% of the time hide and seek champion.
     
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    Agree with the points about Patrick but Chaplin whist not scoring as many as I'd like certainly helped with the attack with his press.
     
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    I will say this until I am blue in the face. Strikers that get 20+ goals a season, need strikers beside them putting in the hard work. We’re never going to have six 20+ goal a season strikers on the books.

    More than likely, we’ll have two in Woodrow and Morris, and then others who put the leg work such as Adebayojo and Chaplin.

    As long as they put the effort in on the pitch, and the goals come from elsewhere, I’m very happy going into the season with Adebayojo.
     
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    We don’t buy proven twenty goal plus strikers we try to make them then if we do they inevitably are sold on .
    We play mainly the false striker whereas it’s a team effort to score and goals are shared out .
     
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    He didnt deliver.

    He scuffed the ball across the box.

    He tapped it in from a few yards out.

    His only contribution.
     

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