Daryl Dike's immediate future is at Orlando

It amazes me that for all we (allegedly) thought of him we never had a concrete option to sign him on a permanent deal arranged on terms everyone was happy with.

I thought we didn’t do loans anymore unless we can sign them, very naive bit of business - but I think the deal itself always seemed a bit odd how the clubs seemed to value him and the option differently. Whilst the American connection might have got him to Grove Street, it’s just so odd that we said we had a deal that was inline with what we usually pay but never agreed permanent terms. Going forward that’s the bit we need to learn from reminds me a bit of the Sam Morsy saga.

 

Re-sign Mamadou Thiam and make it contractual that he dances on TikTok. No-one would ever know the difference.

 

Orlando obviously had an amount in mind that was a good number for them. But as I said in a previous post, we're all talking about an agreement that we have no idea what the details are/were. Shouldn't we just leave the contract negotiations and loan agreements to the people who are qualified and have the relevant information?

Remember the time before the internet and no one knew (or cared) anything about the running of a football club? I miss those days.

 

It was a pipe dream to sign him, if we got to the Premier League, it was a possible reality.

As we are I think we just have to thank him for those 10 goals & all the support work / assists.

He's unlikely to walk into the starting lineup of any Premier League team as I see it. He would be a development player, probably out on loan to the Championship. That's our best chance of seeing him in a Reds shirt next season. If Morris is fit, he is the one I'd build the attack around. Dike would fit in there well, as Morris would have more to feed off. Who knows.

 

Yikes. That's a sh it post.

 

My thoughts on this deal earlier in the season

http://barnsleyfc.org.uk/threads/dike-deal.302203/page-2#post-2684596

Not to put too fine a point on it, I thought what we were claiming was total bullsh1t. I just couldn't understand why a team would give us an option to buy a player for (and I'm going to quote Dane directly because what he actually said was bent double by someone the other day, "“The buy option is quite similar to prices we have paid for players before. It was key to the deal that we got a buy option in.”). He was 20 years old, he'd just won an international cap, he was a regular at the club from whom we were loaning him and had just won rookie of the season for the league he played in (or whatever it was). It was just nonsensical that we could have signed him for the kind of money we had paid before. And that became all the more apparent when he found his feet and we could see him play. He's a star. He's not a $20 million star as of yet but that's much closer to his valuation than "similar to prices we have paid for players before".

And this: "It was key to the deal that we got a buy option in." What, so you made sure you got that in but when we got him here he didn't live up to expectations? We were expecting more from him so we haven't exercised that option? While I agree it's extremely good business practice to ensure we can return a loan player with an option to buy if they don't make the grade, what more did you expect Dike to do? Enact world peace? Filter all the plastic from the Pacific Ocean? Cure Covid?

If there was a deal to buy Dike for "prices we have paid for players before" then it is idiotic to not take up that option. If you want to argue in the favour of idiocy, I'm not going to engage you, let that be between you and your conscience. I don't believe the people running our club are idiots, which means something else in the equation is false.

 

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Unless you get on the phone to the agent and he says - I've been on the phone already to Club X, Club Y and Club Z and Daryl is looking for a minimum of £20k a week.

So you don't take up that option because you're on different chapters not even the same page on wages - and thus the option is meaningless.

 

It’ll be interesting to see where he ends up now..

 

Can't help but think we were victims of our own success here. We took on a virtual unknown and put him in the shop window on Orlando's behalf. He signed for us so quickly it was almost as if the USSF were in on it in sending him on as a Second-Half sub against Trinidad & Tobago so he'd qualify for a work permit. He's come here at just the right time and caught the attention of several clubs who are bigger than us meaning whatever deal we thought we had got blown out of the water.

Either that or we've been made proper mugs of by Orlando and Daryl and/or his agent!

 

Either way, what does it matter?

 

That's your 10th post in this thread. It seems to matter to you.

 

It matters that some people are saying that our management team are mugs and/or being dishonest.

Just wish folk would get off that train.

And I shall speak no more of this matter, I hope that improves your Tuesday.

 

Yep. Dike came in and had a great spell, but the two playoff games highlighted his deficiencies, even at this level. For the next couple of years at least, I think Carlton Morris will be move important to our success on the pitch.

 

For the talent he is.

His worst two games for us were the most important.

At 20 i think the pressure/occasion got the better of him.

 

That's fair enough and a commendable reason for answering. But the reason you're supplying isn't answering the question.
Continuing saying "Wages" doesn't help. You may believe that's right, but that's not what has been claimed. What has been stated is that we haven't taken up the option. If it is wages then there is no reason that the announcement couldn't say, "Barnsley took up the option but were unable to agree wages."
That doesn't make what you're saying untrue. It could still be. But it certainly isn't definitive and as this is a discussion board for BFC we're allowed to discuss an important issue.
And what you've said could be completely wrong. I believe it is. But I believe it is not know it is.
Again, I have no issue with your motivation. You support the board in what they're doing. But you have no idea if you're right, so let people discuss it without policing it.

 

I think that there is all sorts of media hype around this deal. Sources seeming to say that Dike will join WBA if Ismael is appointed manager there. Links with at least half a dozen solid Premiership clubs. I can only think that Orlando are waiting to see what they can make. If it all goes quiet - and you can bet that a lot, but not all of this is agent/club-generated media hype, we could be in with the reasonable fee we are told we had agreed. Strange though that Dane was so explicit about our having agreed a permanent fee. If Dike isn't coming, will we be after another striker? Well, you know that my first choice would be Ellis Simms from Everton. If Dike DID go to Everton, that would push Simms even farther down the list.

 

Personally, I'm really disappointed by the way the club have handled the narrative on this. At each stage it's been Dane saying words to the effect of "I know the fee, and we can manage it" and within this there's a natural assumption that they can also pay the wages for a player they're looking to buy (otherwise, what's the point of paying a fee for him?)

Eventually, when we have the advantage over everyone else on an in-demand player, they effectively admit that it was never a possibility to begin with, unless he performed so badly that we wouldn't have wanted to buy him.

The club has done a lot right during the season, including getting him to play here for half a season, but this development adversely affects the confidence I have in anything that Dane or the ownership chooses to tell us going forward. Definitely a step back on the trust front, after a bit of progress made during the season.

Ultimately, I think Dike would have benefitted from playing for us for longer, and the games against Swansea showed how much he still has to learn. He'll play in the Premier League, without a doubt, but I suspect he'll spend a fair amount of time on the bench for the next season or two. He's probably better off spending more time at Championship level, where he'll get more game-time, in the short-term but I'll look forward to seeing how his career progresses.

 

Wish in one hand shiit in other.

 

Irony alert