England’s greatest ever sportsman

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  1. Red

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    Probably get lambasted for saying this, but I struggle to say anyone's a great sportsman if they sit in a car. I appreciate that it takes stamina and reflexes to drive an insanely powerful car like an F1 motor but in my eyes it just doesn't strike me as sport, it's competitive science

    F1 is won by the best car supported by the best team as far as I can tell, if you took the driver from the worst team and stuck them in the best car they'd probably win.

    As for my greatest English sportsman? Daley Thompson, double Olympic gold and broke the world record for the decathlon 4 times.
     
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    Mark Cavendish. Absolutely blistering on his day, nobody could get near him. Aside from him, probably Mo Farah or even Greg Rutherford - Olympic, World, European and Commonwealth golds, he doesn't get enough credit for that.
     
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    Get ready. :)
     
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    Many, many times! :D
    You cheeky bugger! :D:D
     
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    I rowed at a mediocre standard while at university so, having experienced how difficult a sport it is both technically and physically, I can never look beyond Steve Redgrave for this. Being at the top of such a demanding sport for so long is incredible.
     
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    Daley Thompson.

    Mo Farah
     
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    Thing is with owt like this. It’s time related. As in. Ever.. There’s only lil can go that far back. In recorded events. ( his words not mine :) at least late 80s. 1880’s)
     
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    That’s what swayed me. Not that I’ve ever Rowed. ( only wi ar lass)
     
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    This is the biggest myth and misunderstanding when it comes to F1. Simply isn’t the case.
     
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    Neil Redfearn
     
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    Same applies to Moto GP
     
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    Genuine question, as I haven't watched F1 since the 80's, but when was the last time there was a genuine upset in F1? As in when was the last time a driver won a championship in a bottom tier car?
     
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    Sat down though :)
     
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    For me it would be Mike 'The Bike' Hailwood. A legend in motorcycle racing in the days when leathers and crash helmets, tyres and suspension components were nothing like Valentino Rossi is used to. Unlike today's competitors who race in one capacity class a typical GP weekend would see Mike leap on board 250cc, 350cc and 500cc machines, His exploits on the Isle of Man TT course are legendary and include, for me the greatest TT ever when in 1967 Mike, on the evil handling Honda 500-4, swapped lap records with Giacomo Agostini and the Italian thoroughbred MV-Augusta. Their duel ended when Ago's chain broke on the last lap and Mike went on to win. Ever the sportsman Mike called Ago on stage at that night's Award Ceremony and said that in his eyes Ago had the beating of him that day.

    He then swapped 2 wheels for 4 but never achieved the same success although at risk to his own safety he pulled Clay Regazzoni from a burning car at the 1973 South African GP and his own suit caught fire in the process. He was awarded a George Medal for that exploit, one of the highest honours a civilian could achieve.

    I was there in 1978 when at the age of 38 he returned to the Isle of Man to win a TT once again and to prove it was no fluke repeated the feat again the following year. Was Mike Hailwood better than Valentino Rossi? - Motor Sport Magazine
     
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    Doesn’t happen; but a bottom tier car is simply uncompetitive. It’s not a binary best / worst, there’s a sliding scale.
    By the same token, do you think Dike would be 100% as athletic playing in my 1970’s football boots?

    Its 2021 and science plays a massive part in all sports, football is unrecognisable from the game I followed in the early 70’s.

    Engineering might have a more obvious influence in F1 but that doesn’t make it unique. Barnsley’s success last season owes a huge amount to the tech used in recruitment, and data used in every aspect of running the club.
     
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  17. Red

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    But we were a bottom tier club that finished a gnats pube away from promotion. Amazing things like that happen in most sports, it doesn't appear to happen in F1 though, so it kind of reinforces my belief that the car and the engineering are infinitely more important than the driver.
     
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    You get shocks within a race, but the middle of the field pushing to the podium and not those at the back finishing first.

    You’ll never get a shock over the course of a whole Championship. But that doesn’t mean that you can pluck any driver from anywhere on the grid and put them in the best car to win. There’s levels when it comes to driving.

    A little bit like saying any Premier League manager could have done what Klopp, Fergie, Pep or Wenger did with those players at their disposal. Reality is they wouldn’t and it’s the manager that makes the group of players look as good as they do, in the same way the driver in F1 brings together all the parts that come with his car and team.
     
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    Think.it's a tricky one, we play so many sports. If it was Australia I 'd go Bradman cos his stats were\are head and shoulders above all others.
     
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    I'd go with beckham just because I'm not a fan fan at all.
     
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