So - in summary:

We already know how many people have died in that age bracket as we can look at the total amount who have died and take 7% of those.

The larger the numbers in that age bracket the less deadly the disease. Not the other way around. And we can see, in a global pandemic, it really isn't very deadly at all, unless you're old and have significant underlying health problems. Which is why the death rate now is well under the average. We lost very ill people a few months earlier. And this includes the healthy people now dying from very treatable diseases because we no longer have an NHS, we have a Covid response unit.

What's happened is criminal, genuinely criminal.

 

Or the ones going to A & E because they cant get in at their local GPs.

 

You're not kidding when I had to call 999 a couple of months ago and I sat on hold (around 10 minutes) the automated message was about Covid, over and over again. Then when I did speak to someone yet more Covid questions followed. It was frightening as I didn't call 999 because I was midly concerned I might have covid but that is how the calls are handled in the first instance.

 

I get all the discontent about reopening/not reopening. But it's all a waste of breath, isn't it? In reality, what happens will be determined by what view Boris, in his wisdom, takes. The only people who can influence things to move in a different direction are the Tory rebels on the back benches, and even then they would need Labour to vote with them to overturn any extension of the restrictions. So if the government majority are supported by the opposition MP's, then we have to suck it up. Our next opportunity to change anything will be in December 2024 (unless Boris repeals the FTPA and goes early). So we'd all be better off settling down and accepting the things we can't change?

 

Well, yes, that’s certainly true, but isn’t that the same principle as saying it’s not worth discussing Barnsley FC because we’re not going to have any impact on whether or not they win?

 

Yes, absolutely. And that's true. Even more pointless are the threads that start "does anyone think we could be interested in.....x". Our people have their data systems that come up with players we've never heard of. So it's pointless to think that our random observations would identify any of them. And in fact if we could, they wouldn't be the 'under the radar' type that our system seems to favour!

 

Also, debating it on here might just change the opinion of those in the wrong (obviously I'm biased ).

 

I'm ahead if I can quit while I'm behind!

 

Anyway, never mind that, did you back Adayar???

 

There’s some folk on here that are so blinkered they refuse to accept anything other than essentially a full lockdown until zero deaths and cases. Despite the hundreds of thousands of lives that will be decimated from the lockdown.

Those people don’t matter to the lockdown rimmers.

 

So - your proposals for action, Mr Loko?

 

Oh mate, don't even go there!

 

Steady on old chap!

 

I think that data not dates is what may persuade them against 21 June - even though they claim to be sticking to it. I suspect that it's the interpretation of data that is crucial - not just data in itself.

 

Amen to that. The damage that the (pointless) lockdowns will have done to all kinds of people and lives will ultimately dwarf anything Covid (or any other nasty new flu) could have hoped to achieve.

Have to agree that what's happened so far is genuinely criminal, though with the caveat that Govt decision-making to date has clearly been driven by a number of pseudo-scientists who are enjoying their 15 minutes far too much, the mainstream media's scaremongering/sh*t-stirring, and pressure from a certain section of society that appears to have neither the courage, perspective, nor common sense they were born with, and who would appear to advocate an interminable process of lockdown so long it makes them feel 'safe'. Those people are nuts.