A vaccine question

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  1. Loko the Tyke

    Loko the Tyke Administrator Staff Member Admin

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    Thats not entirely true. I know couples who are completely split on the vaccine and it’s nothing to do with anti-vax conspiracy theories.

    Mainly due to not having FDA approval yet. Not seeing the need within their age bracket. Not knowing the long term side effects. That kind of thing. Not suggesting that’s the right stance to take but it’s not down to conspiracies is my point.
     
  2. DEETEE

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    What are the short medium and long term side effects?

    Should I suffer medium to long term effects what can I expect from my insurance ?

    I look forward to your answer...

     
  3. Dav

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    Well crack on sweetheart, but just a word of warning I got it 39 years old ran marathons and extremely fit before.
    Now asthmatic and it took me best part of 12 months to get over it.

    Good luck to ya
     
  4. Dav

    DavidCurriesMullet Well-Known Member

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    See answer above, go catch it and let me know how you get on.
     
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    Id be covered for Covid.

    Not the side effects of the vaccine.
     
  6. Dav

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    Most reputable life insurers have stated you'd be covered. There's a lot of scaremongering in the media. My union have asked the very same questions to ensure pensions are safe.
     
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    Neither policy I have for serious illness be it via work or private will cover adverse reactions to the Covid vaccines.

    Ive already asked the question.

    So tell me again, short, medium and long term side effects?
     
  8. Dav

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    Well I'm covered like tens of millions of others for all 3. Short term you'll be covered by employment law, medium to long term depends on your policy. Seems you've got insurance with a very strict insurance company.
    My union are to date have failed to find a single provider unwilling to pay out for life changing covid vaccine related illness.
     
  9. Jay

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    I haven't had the vaccine. I have had Covid-19. I'm 49, which puts me just outside the demographic you were asking about, so if you don't want to read any further, don't.

    These are my views, they are not intended to influence others

    This is an interview with virologist Vincent Racaniello
    https://www.medpagetoday.com/opinion/marty-makary/92434

    Vincent Racaniello
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vincent_Racaniello

    When asked whether immunity to Covid-19 is more effective if you've previously had the disease or if you have had the vaccine he answered "I don't know". Scientists answer "I don't know" a lot. They say it when they don't know. When there isn't scientific evidence to indicate something one way or another they say "I don't know". I've read and heard from other virologists that say they don't know. I haven't heard from any that say they do know. I haven't heard from any specialists in this field that have said I will be better protected and less likely to infect others if I have the vaccine. I've read a lot of propaganda in the media to that effect but not from anyone who actually studies this field.

    The Covid-19 vaccines available have not been given full FDA approval. They have temporary approval for emergency use. It is unknown if the vaccines have any medium or long term adverse effects.

    There is irrefutable scientific evidence that the vaccines have a myriad of short term adverse effects. For many young, healthy people these adverse effects are worse than the symptoms of the disease.

    So to sum up, there is no scientific evidence that having the vaccine will reduce the risk of me catching Covid-19 again or reduce the possibility that I will infect someone else. It is not known if the vaccines have any long term adverse effects. It is known that I could feel quite unwell after having it.

    Considering this evidence, I cannot think of a reason why I would have the vaccine or why anyone who is in possession of the latest scientific data would recommend I have it. I find it very, very difficult to understand why anyone would want to inject someone with a substance for which there is no evidence it will produce a desirable effect and no guarantee that it is safe in the long term.
     
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    Does that hold true for vaccines that are not FDA approved?
     
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    well said. I have had the vaccine but certainly wouldn’t pressure anyone else to have it and I admire you for having the balls to state your stance
     
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    I’ve heard many an epidemiologist say that the vaccine acts in a similar way to a booster shot to those who have already had Covid. It will further enhance protection against disease and help reduce onwards transmission. Besides, natural immunity will only last so long.

    There’s a lot about Covid we don’t know for sure. And when people say there is “no scientific evidence” they’re often referring to a lack of real world observations / trials (which is to be expected given how new Covid still is). However, scientists have been studying coronaviruses and vaccines for years and have a brilliant understanding of how the body is expected to react to vaccines.

    When it’s comes to Covid and vaccines, who do I trust more? Myself, who knows next to nothing about vaccines? Or people who have dedicated their lives to studying vaccines? If the MHRA and the JVCI tell me it’s in my best interest get vaccine, balancing everything that’s known and not known, I’m more than happy to take their advice. The added bonus being that it will also help the country get above the herd immunity threshold and allow us to get to normal. That’s why I’m going for my first jab tomorrow, despite being a fit and healthy 30 year old.
     
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    Same here, which is why I provided a link to an interview with an eminent virologist.
     
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    I’m 39 in a few weeks, I’ve not had any info from my GP etc regards the vaccine. Is that how you are notified?

    I’ve not had Covid. Despite working throughout the pandemic, travelling the country every weekend etc.

    Do I need the vaccine?
     
  15. Jay

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    Because there are so many asymptomatic cases I would usually say that you don't know if you have had Covid-19 or not. However, I understand professional football teams were tested regularly. I don't know if that extends to support staff like yourself or not. If it does, you may well know, or at least have a better idea about it than most.

    The medical advice is that yes, you should get vaccinated. My advice would be don't listen to anyone else that tells you otherwise. Only go against medical advice if you believe there is a legitimate reason for doing so. And that's your responsibility. And in keeping with my advice you should also ignore my advice.
     
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    No-one notifies you. Just go online and book it yourself. We had our second AZ jab yesterday at Boots in Halifax, 5-minute sit-down, then a nice stroll round Piece Hall, spot of lunch and home. All very George Spicer....
     
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    My partner's sister and husband. We talked a month or two ago when we had our first jab and she was worried about their pre-existing health conditions. I told her to ask the doctor about it but I'm pretty sure that her stated reason was bogus. I think she reads too many wacky web sites...
     
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    I kept getting text messages from my GP but I'd already booked mine at Priory. Best go online and get it booked that way if you've heard nothing.
     
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    I had AZ.

    Short - mild headache and temperature on the day.
    Medium - none that I've observed.
    Long - unknown for obvious reasons.

    Just for your info, many people are worried about how quick the vaccines were created. The medical world has been aware for decades of the potential danger posed by novel corona viruses (SARS for example) and so companies and universities have been quietly working on vaccines for any such potential pandemic, including Astra Zenica.
     
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    Slightly off post but one of my thoughts on this is that although I agree everyone has a free choice there may also be areas of travel or businesses who adopt a no jab no thanks policy....if you decide against the jab that's your choice but I can feel a discrimination movement bubbling if this becomes the case...
     

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