June 21st

All extremely valid points mate. Does make you wonder why a new virus would become more virulent and not lose any of its potency in relation to fatalities.
We're not getting much in the news about the current state of play in India and Nepal at the minute. Wonder why?

 

1. We don't test everybody who goes near a hospital for flu. We don't have the army on the streets testing random people for flu.
3. An increase from one to two is quite a rapid steep increase.
4. 1% of all hospital cases or one percent of all cases including the asymptomatic and extremely none serious cases? It is not important how many fit and healthy 18 year olds caught it without knowing. It is however important to know what percentage of those requiring hospital treatment caught it IN that hospital. It's far higher than 1%.

 

Because there has been an absolute huge drop off in cases but that doesn't fit the narrative of project fear

 

Facts don’t matter.

 

There are quite a few care home owners who are in the top 200 richest people in the UK.

 

This project fear, I have never been fearful from day one neither has family or friends , are people fearful of covid? is project fear real?

 

I thought it was maybe the Modi press keeping the lid on the true figures. Seems the number of fatalities are 5 times the number being reported.
Modi and Boris cut from the same cloth, what next Modi telling folk that when they attended his political rallies he'd put a ring of steel around them?

 

1. No - but nobody can sensibly argue that flu hasn't been suppressed this past winter - a lot of influenza surveillance goes on - both through lab tests and symptom surveillance. Lots of respiratory viruses have been suppressed - because, hands, face, space does work.
3. Come on - really.
4. Read the report (link in a previous report) - that explains the methods behind the calculations - and the big assumptions it makes. I'm not saying that hospital acquired infections aren't real or an issue - I am saying that the way to stop people picking up covid in hospital is to stop people catching it in the first place.


Loko - fair cop - a bit of a stretch - but find me the link to the data you quote. I'd actually say the first wave was more likely to result in hospital acquired infections - lack of PPE and lack of understanding of how COVID transmits. Let's not jump to conclusions though - people in hospitals are, by definition, more likely to be acutely ill already - catching covid will be more serious in that group. Hospitals aren't the driver of the epidemic but will be over represented in the numbers of deaths. Actually, I'm not even sure of the point you are trying to make. My point is the one above - fewer cases of covid in the community is the single best way to stop hospital acquired infections.

 

Edg.... bast.... on

 

Not denying there aren’t ‘some’ rich care home owners, but your original post left unchallenged might lead people to believe that all care homes charge the maximum amount and all their owners were millionaires.
I added balance, supported by evidence. You OTOH have made some statements and offered no evidence.

 

https://www.carehomeprofessional.co...f-a-billion-pounds-on-sunday-times-rich-list/

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/inew...illions-pounds-profits-hedge-funds-360816/amp


Bit of reading for you there its not the skint industry that you are liking to make out. Well not at the top anyway.

 

Certainly seems that way...

 

It’s a trial mate. It’s literally the only one outside the jurisdiction of the current rules.

 

oak... well

 

Sorry, I'm not going to do your googling for you.

Anyway - here's some evidence - have a look at yesterday's VOC technical briefing from PHE. p47 and 48 - some nice charts with links to the underlying data. These show the numbers of common exposures events - i.e. at least 2 cases have said they have been to a certain place. As you will see education settings are the biggy, and workplaces too. Hospitality very low - but then it's been restricted. Healthcare - very low.

https://assets.publishing.service.g...ariants_of_Concern_VOC_Technical_Briefing.pdf

 

Hospitality is being made a scapegoat because it's an easy target that takes everyone's eyes off the absolutely awful job our NHS have done at managing transmission, the absolutely awful job our schools have done at managing transmission and the absolutely awful job our care homes have done at managing transmission. And the reason that the government NEED to deflect attention away from those places? Because they're to blame. It's not an English teachers fault that she's got ,32 kids crammed into a small inadequate room and it's not a nurses fault he's got tatty old equipment and no PPE.

The major problem however has been the amount of frankly selfish people who don't work in the sector who have not only allowed but ENCOURAGED it being made a scapegoat by backing the restrictions at every opportunity. Those same people are now mumbling 'i feel sorry for hospitality', 'i never supported these EXACT restrictions' and 'personally I'd allow hospitality to open but...'.
No you don't. Yes you have and no you wouldn't. You all had the chance to put across your anger but instead you argued and shouted about how restrictions were needed. Even now when it's literally the only sector restricted these people are saying they want restrictions to continue yet in another breathe muttering 'i feel for hospitality'.

Hospitality doesn't want fake words, hospitality has needed. For a year, actual support and help in fighting the restrictions that defy the science and ignores the data but instead of giving that support you argued against hospitality. well you can keep your hollow words now