England tip tappy football …no passion..,

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  1. North Yorks Red

    North Yorks Red Well-Known Member

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    Let’s be honest I’ve seen div 1 games played at a higher level.
    Southgate safety first tactics are just soooooooo boring.
    Can’t see how the theory that Scotland will be the most satisfied works, they now need a very unlikely win in their last game to progress.
    Mind you if England don’t up their game we might get knocked out too!
     
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    Like watching us under struber, why take foden off? Sideways backwards stuff no ideas, no creativity. Won't win this with Southgate as manager could play rest of weekend and wouldn't score.
     
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    That was very poor Kane not fit enough offered nothing, so slow and predictable in midfield negative passing. Woeful.
    Calvin Lewin needs to start. Drop Kane now
     
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    I genuinely prefer watching my eldest play U7s football on a Sunday rather than this ***** that Southgate is serving up!
     
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    Absolute garbage!!
    God help us if we qualify for the knockout stage!
    Hat doffed to the Jocks. They deserved the point if not more imo
     
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    Struber didn't have Kane, Rashford, or Calvert Lewin to pick. To score.

    If he had, we'd have walked the Championship, cos the rest could bamboozle any team.
     
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    I was just on about the style trying to play football in our own half sideways backwards passing
     
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    Big Val wouldn't have accepted that tonight!
     
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    We were never as boring as England. Often because we were existing in terror on the terraces whilst we played russian roulette across our own penalty box.

    It was hard to play it backwards from your own goal line.

    Once we got it to midfield we were great to watch. Up front was a tale of woe however.
     
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    Robertson, McTominay, McGinn, Gilmour? Championship players at best?
     
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    England and Italy like night and day? The difference? One is managed by a man who has won the premier league title as a manger, the other is managed by someone who took Middlesbrough from mid-table premiership to the championship.
     
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    There was a bit of trouble round me after the game on Sunday, and I was worried about the same tonight.

    I didn't think even the most hardened hooligan would be able to conjure up the energy to cause any bother after that though, and turns out I was right! I think they were all half asleep by the final whistle.
     
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    The substitutions today showed that Southgate was more bothered about not losing than winning. Didn’t have a problem with the starting 11, but it was apparent fairly quickly that we didn’t need both rice and Phillips. One of them should’ve made way for grealish or Bellingham at half time. Sancho should’ve replaced Sterling and Foden should’ve stayed on. Given the 5 subs available, could even have switched one of the full backs to get some better delivery into the box, or add Walker’s pace.

    No idea what’s happened to Kane. I’d be bringing him off the bench on Tuesday.
     
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    Every cloud has a silver lining!
     
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    The bit that angered me was the best player on the pitch, was brought off for Grealish.
    Sterling and mount (and im not saying either are poor players) were poor to avarage at best.
    I can see another safety first game next up.
     
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    I really like Aldis salted caramel chocolate covered ice lollies, four for 99p.
    I do find their bread soon goes dry though.
    Trying hard here to raise the mood after last night's show.
     
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    My party is still continuing
     
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    If you are a coach, do you start with the basic system that you want to play, and find the right players to play that system, or do you build a system that uses your best players in the best way possible.

    In my opinion, most modern coaches start in the wrong place. They start with the modern way of playing the game and they shoe horn the available players into that system. Currently, the best English player is Kane. He scores goals regularly at the top level, if you play to his strengths. He does not have pace, so he plays the game in a different way, and he is very successful in the way he plays. He is at his best as a No10, with another forward taking the defensive line deeper in order to create his that couple of yards of space for him to get his shots off. But a front 2 is no longer a popular way to play the game. It is out of fashion with the deep thinkers in the game. It isn't sexy. So we abandon our best player, and we try to play the modern way. After all, no coach wants to be labelled a dinosaur by his fellow professionals, do they.

    If you accept that Kane needs to play in a front 2, then that enforced a fundamental re-organisation on the structure of the rest of the team, and in turn, that demands that many other players must change. We did not get the ball forward quickly enough, partly because we did not have the right type players in midfield, and there was not enough movement in front of the passer either. All that is a consequence of not playing your best player in his best position.
     
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    Some of the best young talent at his disposal. Only Southgate has the skill to turn creative, no fear, quick, technically skilled, intelligent players into a team of dull, slow, defensive minded bollards and demonstrate a clear lack of ambition, drive and passion. That indeed is a mighty achievement. I think it’s time we had a manager who is prepared to let these kids off the leash and bring a ‘just go for it’ mentality to the set up.
     
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    When you play at that sort of pace you will never win anything - Scotland in world terms are average and they made us look ordinary - players with pace or players that can change games need to be played from the start - Southgate has stuck with the old guard and come unstuck - Kane is unfit imo, - I would start Sancho, Calvert-Lewin (or Rashford) and Sterling up front with Grealish/Mount behind and bring Maquire in alongside Stones to play further up the park - then Chilcott and James who can both provide a decent cross and also score the odd goal - defenders don't like pace, we have the pace but are not using it -
     

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