Dane Murphy , not good news

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  1. Tarntyke

    Tarntyke Well-Known Member

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    Or so Doug claimed
     
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    Keeping someone tied into a notice period and having the notice period written into the contract are two separate things, and 6 months notice would be fairly standard in a senior role such as this.

    The longer periods protect both employee and employer, depending on who's instigating the departure. In this case, it would give BFC the right to prevent DM taking up his new post immediately. In reality, it will probably trigger some form of negotiation to reach a compromise on this.

    If you recall, the start of Stendel's term as manager was delayed due to him effectively being on garden leave with his former club, so it's not beyond the realms of possibility that a notice period is enforced in this way if no agreement can be reached.

    I would also expect that there'd be some form of restrictive covenant terms within his contract too, which would also be a potential issue, given the sensitive nature of his role and the fact that he's taking up an equivalent role with a direct competitor. This might mean that enforcing a period of garden leave is the best way to protect BFC's interests.

    I'm not sure why you're intent on suppressing any discussion of it, as these are all fairly standard considerations to be made in these circumstances.
     
  3. Red

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    Discuss away, it's your keyboard :)
     
  4. Cam

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    Should make him work his notice if true. 1 month from now will be too late for Forest with half of pre season done.
     
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    A Nottingham based EFL approved reporter is now saying Dane Murphy move is close. Seems as though it is true
     
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    Ha ha. You've had a bit of a kicking there mate but you're still correct. It would be idiocy of a huge degree if the Club hadn't put a notice period in for a position of CEO. Totally unbelievable.
     
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    I can only speak from my own experience but I resigned to move to a competitor with a 12 month notice period. I was happy signing that contract at the time and, when I resigned, I accepted being on gardening leave for 12 months.

    The gardening leave enabled my previous firm to retain clients whilst keeping me out of the market and I got to have a year of holidays and golf.

    Most senior appointments have significant notice periods, there is scope for negotiation and it isn’t always a waste of resources holding someone to their contract.
     
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    Well obviously its not actually a spreadsheet. Its a computer model built on big data and he doesn’t get involved in the development of that model so no he cant.
     
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    Gardening leave is obviously not a colossal waste of money if, for example, we're in the middle of a transfer negotiation.
     
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    Or the begonias need planting out.
     
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    Our company, since covid has put a total ban on gardening leave, you either work your notice or you leave there and then, regardless of whether you're going to a competitor or not.
     
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    Properly laughing at people thinking Dane can just walk off with the ‘spreadsheet’.

    Its James Cryne’s algorithm and recruitment programme. Dane might work on getting targets over the line but he’ll have very limited knowledge of how the algorithm really works. He definitely can’t just take it with him.

    As we saw with Mansford to Leeds, football appears to operate in a different way to the business/real world. It’s seriously daft that a CEO can leave one club to join another within days, but I assume we agree some form of compensation for that and probably some club to club agreement/embargo type things as well.
     
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    Agreed, however he will probably have a sound enough understanding of the metrics, to bring in a bunch of data scientists and develop one. Source code can be copyrighted, but an algorithm can’t.
     
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    What’s the betting an analyst moves to forest from us too.
     
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    Frankly, I 'm irritated by all these developments and I will hopefully try to explain my thoughts.
    Both Nottingham Forest and West Brom are supposedly bigger clubs than Bfc, larger turnovers, crowds etc. WBA had 2 managers last season and were easily relegated from the premier league. They were poor and uninspiring last time they were in the Championship. A lot of the non football staff,who worked with Jeremy Peace have left too. The current owner is wanting to streamline costs and appears autocratic. The playing squad is hardly exciting, Stoke like?.
    NFFC,have just gone a full season without sacking a manager, well done to them. They had a chance to reach the play offs last season but blew it,with a average team. They are another team in the EFL,living on past glories.
    Why 2 of our executive staff wish to go there, I have no idea, perhaps it's the strain of running the club on a small budget,through a pandemic for overseas owners. Perhaps, it's the conflicts between the current owners and Cryne Family. Who knows? Is it just about salary,are people so shallow?
    As for Valerian, he has restored a upcoming but unsubstansaited reputation at Bfc,with effective but not the most attractive football. Would the WBA fans accept such tactics or the squad of players? Again I have no idea.
    All the talk and rumours of the last couple of days have really irritated me. Forgive me but I feel we , club,town,fans,are being treated with contempt, somehow working with and for us,is not good enough. Again, I 'm probably over reacting and need to have a word with myself and calm down.
    Back to the euros and real football.
    Stay safe and whatever happens, happens.
     
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    Is the password "show me the money"!?
     
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    Precisely.

    I’ve had them, my wife has them, just about every exec I know has them, I don’t think I’ve yet seen a full period be actually worked. Either a period of immediate garden leave or negotiated settlement.
     
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    Those things pretty much already exist at every club in the country though. Using algorithms and statistical analysis for recruitment and scouting isn’t exclusive to us, but James Cryne’s algorithm is.
     
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    Like it or not, NFFC are a much bigger club than us with a greater chance of success. DM's also likely to get a substantial pay rise too.
     

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