Would you call out a racist?

I have done in the past but now it depends tbh, like if they were on their own or not, bit too creaky these days to risk it escalating

 

It's a difficult one, I was at Oakwell once in the East Stand sitting next to a group of lads passing round a small bottle of liquid that they were sniffing. They were talking about a meet up at Woolley services with Hudds fans for a scrap. At one point they were hurling racist abuse at an Asian policeman. I was basically too scared for mine and my dad's safety to do anything (dad was in his late 70s). A very unpleasant experience and we ended up moving higher up to get away from them.

 

Sadly the mob tend to stick together so anyone who stands up to them is likely to get a pasting and as the stewards won't even try to get these morons to sit in the seats they've paid for but refuse to use they're not likely to wade in to help if your getting your head caved in.

 

Good on 'em decent little community down there, missed them.

 

Yes I would and do,not because I'm self righteous or anything, it's the right thing to do, although it can be dangerous at times.

 

No on all counts. Discrimination is discrimination no matter which way it is aimed.

If we dictate that we must have an employee because they have dark skin that is discrimination and frankly tokenism. If we do that purely to make up the numbers then should we also not force the employment of very other minority group or under represented group?

Asians are underrepresented in my workplace so we must employ at least one right? Women are too so must employ one correct? We have no hmosexuals so it's only fair to make sure we set one on? But then we have no disabled people either so I think it's best if we dictate we need one of those?

So now we've forcibly employed one black, one Asian, one homosexual, one disabled and one female person it leaves two positions for white straight males. Extremely discriminatory but at least it's discriminatory against the groups that it's fine to discriminate against right?

Personally I think it's not important at all for everyone to feel represented in every company in the land, it's far more important to set on the best possible candidate.

 

Do travellers wear I'd tags? I wouldn't know what one looks like

 

The issue is that far too often the "right person" happens to be a straight white male and no others are even considered. I think to have 'quotas' is silly, because that reduces the candidate pool which is never a good thing.

For example if the premier league implemented a rule where there must be at least one black manager or something, if only one club has a black manager and they get sacked, they can then only hire a black person for the job.

I don't know what the answer is, but something has to change. No 'solutions' that I've ever seen have actually been realistic though unfortunately.

 

I've actually been attempting to select candidates this week for a vacancy at work. As a matter of course someone has removed the names from all the cv's meaning that from the start I have no idea what race they are or what gender they are. They have also removed the years from applicants education if it was included so I cant quickly tell how old they are (though you get a rough idea from looking at their employment history). Without knowing that information it means that I know that everyone I interview has been selected purely on their abilities and only at the interview itself could any subconscious bias come into play.

It's not perfect but I think it works

 

Same here, I ask that all data that can identify sex and nationality be removed, so far this year I've got a 50/50 split White British and people that identify as other ethnicities.

As you say, it's not perfect but it's working so far.

 

Some of you talk as though all interviewers/employers are fair minded. Some of you on here may be fair minded. BUT
There will be
Racists
Homophobes
Nepotism
Take a look at the present government there are all these types. It's the same with contracts. Going to family friends and donors to the tory party.
If you think for one minute BAME are getting a fair crack of the whip. You're delusional. I don't say I have the full answer. It's difficult to find a solution to the problem. But until we develop a fair minded society. ( that'll not happen in my lifetime) We will always have an issue.
I work for one of the biggest employers in Yorkshire and positive action is in place. I used to be uncomfortable with it. But I'm more uncomfortable in the thought someone is not selected because of the colour of their skin or disabled etc. When they are more than capable of carrying out a role.
I personally knew one interviewer who ran the show. Drunk with power. I wouldn't let him anywhere near an interview process. Gladly he has now left. He was reported on many occasions. But a blind eye was turned.

 

Sorry about that buddy, wish I'd been there for you. Please don't give up. Doing the right thing isnt always easy

 

Spot on HF.
Black employees hold 1.5% ! of company senior posts.
Like it or not the only way to redress the balance is to 'positively discriminate' in favour of under-represented groups. If an applicant form this group can do the job then give her/him the job.
(some will object to this - but is there an alternative?)

It's a bit hypocritical for us, in support of BLM, to 'take the knee' but when there has been decades of discrimination in the work place we turn a blind eye.

 

but should anyone with a 'subconscious bias' be on the interviewing panel?

 

A quick Google check suggests 3% of the UK population is black, and I'm guessing a decent chunk of that is under 18 or over 65 too. 1.5% sounds miniscule on its own but is it?

 

I think I posted on a previous thread about someone where I work filtering out job applications/CVs by name.

John Smith will almost certainly get his CV in front of a lot more eyes than Amir Ahmedinejad.

Not sure what you can do about it other than to make applications anonymous, but even then at interview stage people tend to like people with things in common with them. It's a big part of interview technique to to identify what makes you similar to the interviewer and refer to it often. It makes people think that you are like them, and unless they hate themselves they see positives in you. People who are massively different to you are harder to trust and like because you have no common ground.

 

Totally agree. Perhaps all interview panels should include representation from the under-represented groups ?
My West Indian born former fellow student had a recent job interview - 3 white candidates and himself - Interviewing panel 4 white guys.
Within 2 minutes of getting there he knew he wasn't going to get the job - and he didn't!
I think that what will eventually happen is some form of Legislation will be put in place to level things up ??

 

I didn't say they were

 

Club needs to reintroduce a Mobile number to report it. I’ve called it out to someone at Oakwell and at The Valley. They loved the attention and kept doing it