Depressing...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-57829412

It appears a certain section of of British society (English? males ) have turned 'feral', having no regard for laws, basic decency, self respect or any respect for other people or property.
Before the thread turns into the usual anti, Govt, anti Brexit, Covid lockdown 'blame everyone else but the perpetrators', it is one thing for apologists to blame policing, organisation, Government, Brexit, the Education system, Parenting or a combination of all of those things but ultimately, I would say the fault is solely with the selfish morons. Nor was nationalism, xenophobia or racism to blame since it was Brit against Brit in the melee - just a 'dog eat dog', 'devil take the hindmost' and sheer selfishness from thousands of drunk cretins leading to a national embarrassment.

What answer is I have no idea but, we are not talking about poverty and deprivation etc. driving this yobbish behaviour when, for example, reference was made to steward(s) being offered (and accepting) 'wads of cash' to get into the stadium.
Regardless of the underlying cause, British society is broken and it will take more than a change of Government and some new laws to fix it. One of the Indian newspapers called it a throwback to the 'entitlement' of the British from Colonialism. Individual entitlement is IMO different and driven by a society obsessed with personal wealth. I would lay odds that the overwhelming majority of troublemakers were employed, earning decent money. In general, with a few rare exceptions throughout my life I have found the most community minded, generous people live in less affluent areas where family, friends, and neighbours are considered more important than having two cars in the driveaway and a large house.

Embarrassed, being an Englishman abroad, to be remotely associated with those morons at the moment.

 

I'm starting to despair about the way we are going - read yesterday that the Mayor of Oldham's car was fire bombed. What has happened to us?

 

Sorry I'm confused- what relevance has the link you posted got to do with the rest of what you've said?

 

Confued me too! Sorry no idea what happened ... The link was to a BBC news video editorial by Ros Atkins re the Wembley fiasco... which I though I had copy/pasted... somehow the link ended up as something totally different. Now corrected. Thanks for pointing this out.

 

Just watched it- agree, depressing really. Why we can't behave like most other countries when it comes to football is disgraceful. A small minority ruins it for everyone.

 

there is no fear of punishment anymore, no discipline in schools, parents arent allowed to chastise their kids anymore. as an 8/9 year old i got caught by a farmer nicking apples out of his orchard, he gave me a couple of clips around the ear'ole and a kick up the backside the local beat bobby was nearby say what had happened, came over and did the same, when i got home my dad asked me why i'd been crying so i told him............... out came the belt, for years after that i walked past the orchard, looked and thought yes, you can stick your f**king apples up your ar5e !

 

A laddish drinking culture combined with an 8pm kick off and the biggest game since 1966.

Disaster waiting to happen.

 

You shouldn’t have even been allowed on Wembley Way without a ticket to the game.

 

I must admit I was surprised to see so little policing. Major sporting event with the eyes of the world on you, usually results in too much police presence if anything.

 

The problem is that the ‘good old days’ you refer to, when you could have the cr&p knocked out of you for little or no reason, caused some of us to live in almost constant fear. I attended a school that I entered as one of the brightest, and left believing I was thick, because most days were punctuated by bullying and violence. Education was something you survived. I’m sure it wasn’t like that for everyone, but to dress it up as something good is certainly not the way I see it.

 

If parents can't raise kids properly because society won't allow them to use violence then the problem is with the parents, not society.

 

Never laid a finger on my 10 year old and she's a well-behaved girl, never have to shout at her etc.

I used to get smacked regularly as a kid to the point where you could see the handprint for a good while after and I still acted out. It does more harm than good. Smacking and shouting is a sign of an out of control parent not child.

 

This is just pure, unadulterated rose tinted b0llox. Everyone behaved themselves in the 70s and 80s did they?

 

Was just going to say similar, I certainly knew some that were wrong. ‘Uns as kids, not just general misbehaviour, but criminal activities as well, and got got some right good hidings from their parents, The last I knew of at least 2 of them continue to live a life of crime. Not wanting to get into a debate about rights and wrongs of this, or even the sociological and indeed, psychological aspects, (they are factors) just pointing out that instant physical punishment from parents didn’t always mean kids behaved thereafter

 

Totally agree, sums it up perfectly, without the hysterics of all the other noise.
Some of the self righteous drivel on here is truly nauseating.

 

Dog eat dog society, now which party promotes this. Clue, they have a blue Rosette. The Right-wing and racist overtones running through our society are very much to do with the policies and governance of the party in power. That’s not being apologist, it’s what we see

 

Don’t read it then, simples