Compulsory vaccinations

Pretty sure when I took my first job as a nurse I had to be fully immunised for Hep A/B, checked for allsorts etc. as a condition of my employment.

Doesn't fit the Gilead narrative, though...

 

Ok, so as a result of my terrible self control I did open this thread again. Hopefully for the last time.

Just to clarify, I was talking specifically about the direction that things are going on here as to where everything negative that happens is "the lockdowners" fault. Over the next few years I can guarantee that I'll get blamed on here either directly or indirectly for any business that goes out of business, no matter what the reason was (and ignoring the fact that since the start one of my main positions has been pushing for more financial support for employees and businesses).

That's the bad faith argument. The straw men being created that support everything that the government does and then being labelled as "Lockdowners".

 

Pretending that there aren't safety concerns with the vaccines is non-sensical when the official Government data clearly shows otherwise. Unless of course you consider 294,759 reported adverse reactions to be trivial. It is also estimated that less than 10% of ADRs are actually reported

https://assets.publishing.service.g..._Yellow_Card_reporting_30.06.2021_CleanV2.pdf

 

One of those is mine- I put in a yellow card for flu like symptoms after having mine. I had my first dose of AZ within the first fortnight of it being available. The NHS trust I worked for at the time encouraged us to do that given it was a new vaccine. It doesn't mean all of those people have suffered serious long term damage from it.

46 million people nearly have had their first dose. So in reality the ADRs are not that high.

 

Im sure that will represent considerable comfort to those among the 300k+ who are now suffering from serious reactions to the vaccines.

I don't believe I said anything about 'serious long term damage' . I was merely questioning BarnsleyReds assertions that there were no safety issues and that suggesting that there were made a person an 'anti-vaxxer'.

 

I've just told you I was one of those figures. All medications generate ADRs to some degree. You could focus on that or perhaps focus on the benefits i.e. reductions in covid deaths in elderly since it was brought in.

 

Is the reduction in the Covid deaths among the elderly solely due to the vaccine or largely down to the fact that Covid killed off the majority of elderly people with serious comorbidities who were close to the end of their lives before the vaccines were launched? That is a rhetorical question because, like you, I don't know the answer.

It is also worth noting that we are in the Summer months now when the Covid deaths were significantly lower last year long before anybody had received vaccinations so it would be premature to assess the results of the vaccine based on reduced deaths in June and July. Perhaps it would make more sense to see how many vaccinated people die during the Autumn/Winter months before commenting upon the vaccines' effectiveness.

 

I've had conversations with a few who support mandatory vaccination. I also know some who want vaccine passports in hospitality settings. I've not spoken to anyone who disagrees with vaccinating children.

My point is this: Covid, by and large, does not affect children. There may be isolated cases, but you have to consider underlying issues and co-morbidity factors too. There are several paediatricians and immunologist who have raised concerns about vaccinating children. Why do we have to ignore these people? Why are they immediately anti vaccination clowns? They're urging caution about what we do to our children. I watched a brilliant paediatrician the other day who warned that if they role the vaccine out to children, some will die who wouldn't ordinarily. Every COVID death is a tragedy (must more so than any other illness it seems... Cancer patients have been thrown to the wall), but a child dying from a vaccine is just part of 'making an omelette'. It's sick, in my opinion.

My own view is that it should never be the responsibility of children ro protect adults. Adults forcing children to put something in their bodies that is largely unproven long term to protect the adult is rotten.

Required vaccination in health care settings is the final death knell for that industry. There's a shortage of workers already. And let's not forget, the vaccine doesn't stop you catching and spreading it.

I have to laugh because politics has been turned on its head in this country. It used to be that the left were the ones skeptical of big pharma and government mandates. Now everyone loves and trusts the pharmaceutical companies, the media, the government. They're all benevolent and altruistic and can't do any wrong when it comes to COVID. Eat the narrative, get on board, be one of us, come on in the water is lovely!

Currently, you are protected in law by the fact you can't be made to have a medical procedure for the benefit of someone else. That's about to change, I believe, and a lot of people will come to regret it.

 

Yes it is. Its completely different in comparison to a traditional vaccine. Its also still being used under an emergency licence.

Remember, the AZ vaccine got pulled for 20 to 40 years olds due to the risk of clotting and has been linked to several deaths both inside and outside this age group.

Then you have Pfizer and Modena both of which have again been linked to myocarditis and pericarditis.

And the J&J version Guillain Barr Syndrome as per recent FDA findings.

And thats ignoring the multiple global issues with the vaccines as pointed out in the yellow card schemes and their equivalents.

Dont forget that as it stands these vaccines have spent less than a year in the real world. There was at the time the Pfizer vaccine was approved there was no testing to confirm how it affected fertility on either male or female subjects for example.

There still isnt any long term data on the effects of any vaccine thats recommended to protect you against Covid. Because unlike the traditional vaccines be it Flu or MMR there isnt the results of long term testing or usage.

So please explain to me why not wanting to stick that stuff into kids makes me an "Anti Vax" because I am utterly confused as to how.

 

Even on a big national day the French are not taking it well and if we know anything it's they will keep protesting.

 

Yes, my son has been full vacced up same for his job at the Sheffield Children's Hospital.

 

Yet it isnt a legal requirement

 

So what, it's a damn sight better than contracting Hepatitis all day long.

 

Definitely due to the vaccine. If you look at data for infection rates by age band (60-69, 70-79, 80-89 etc) they each fall off a cliff at the corresponding period when that age group started to receive the vaccine. And that’s had a knock on effect on death rates, which have so far remained pretty low despite some sky high infection rates across all age groups in some areas - the North East being a good example currently.

 

Whilst this is correct it doesn't take into account that last year the schools were closed and pubs etc didn't open until 4th July so it was starting from a very low base and we had low cases of infection. This year the pubs etc opened on 19th May, schools were open long before then, cases are sky high but so far the death rate has remained thankfully relatively low.

Time will tell but what I'm trying to say is it's not comparing apples with apples.

 

Lol - one day later splashed on all the papers is the new salt and sugar tax to change peoples eating habits because of the load on the NHS. Also talking about getting people to reduce meat intake - another one of the 'great reset' goals. All chipping away bit by bit. The end goals are all laid out int he WEF's great reset. Read it. Looking forward 'not' to my 3d printed steak.

 

To be fair, a lot of the motivation behind a salt and sugar tax is to try and reduce the burden of disease they both cause. A burden that disproportionately affects poorer communities. And eating a bit less meat is good for the planet. Not sure I’d be keen on a printed steak, sounds a bit tough. I’d probably give a lab-grown one a try though.

 

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I've done away with loads of salt and sugar in my diet. I hardly eat meat now, mainly eat small amounts of fish usually twice a week. Other than that I eat veggie. Wasn't a forced choice for ethical or medical reasons. After having covid and then long covid, I changed my diet by chance because certain foods didn't make me feel ill.
I now eat a nice steak when we go out, always better when someone else cooks it for you.
I don't miss processed food, and I find you don't have to spend loads to eat healthy.
Obviously I save up all my sugar and alcohol intake for certain times. Usually when my alarm goes off and says Jaipur o'clock.

 

almost makes me gip watching it lol

https://www.weforum.org/videos/this-is-the-world-s-first-3d-printed-ribeye-steak