Ken Loach getting removed from Labour party?

In what way? Please be precise? A commitment to Clause 4?

they are to the right of ye olde SDP.

the Overton window is very sharp right still. Economically Corbyn realigned it slightly but it’s still Post Thatcherite as are Labour

in fairness Labour currently has no policies or values so perhaps it’s hard to tell

 

‘Ditch Starmer for another lefty and they'll not be having my vote.’
Ok this one has got me howling with laughter. I’m sure these very sensible(tm) centrist posters on here are just parodies at this point.
Only a few weeks since he was saying that the big problem was the immature left not voting for the Labour Party under starmer for the greater good of removing the tories. Adult politics at work.

 

Statement of fact.

So far as I am concerned, if Labour switch to another unelectable lunatic like Corbyn we - as a nation - deserve all we get.

 

I bloody hope so. Starmer hasn't had his tongue out of Johnson's ahole for months! Anyone else would have taken that p***k to the cleaner's but all we seem to keep hearing is that Starmer is "biding his time"! I say jog on mate, let someone take the reigns who has got the ******** to stand up to Johnson and his cronies.

 

A commitment to significant increases in public spending at a time of economic uncertainty? Surely the tones of the '83 manifesto & the 2017/2019 Corbyn ones are more comparable than if you were to compare either to Kinnock/Blair/Brown/Milliband?

BTW, I voted for Labour in both of those. I thought Corbyn was treated badly by those in charge & his portrayal was unfair in the media & I was and remain a party member. But, fundamentally, left wing parties don't get elected by conservative countries - especially when the only time those parties have ever got elected is on the back of strong performances in regions that have shifted towards nationalist parties. Never had a chance. And they won't again unless they attract not only people that once voted Labour but abandoned them to go the right but also those who have never voted Labour before.

 

the only upswing in Labour votes in 25 years is for a more left wing Labour. As for nationalism ref Portugal. Centrism failed pretty dramatically in 2010 and 2015. Why do you think there is an appetite now?

At the minute I cannot name a single Labour policy but expect the next manifesto if Keith survives to be to the right of Swinsons Lib Deme.

yeah Labour under Keith can chase the racist Gammons. Will it succeed? Probably not. If you’re happy with that crack on.

 

What a load of rubbish...

 

Yy TTa

More electable than either Brown or Miliband or Keith so far.

 

would you put Keith to the right or left of Callaghan? Remember Clause 4 when deciding.

 

Do you ever watch PMQ’s?

 

I don't think Starmer is as centre as some people like to make out. He's also being blamed for the infighting when certain people on the further left of the party have been wanting rid of him since day one.

I also don't think that someone like Corbyn could ever win an election. His treatment by the media was rough, but he clung too far to the left and always struck too many people as incompetent. He's an activist. A brilliant one, but not cut out to be PM.

Starmer could have been a great choice. I like the way he communicates and the way he responds to the many blunders of the Tories. Problem is, his only achievement so far is cutting out the antisemitism issue that had rumbled on for far too long. He's not given a vision for Labour yet. There was an excuse for that last year, but he really had to give us a reason to believe in him by now. I'm still hoping he can turn it around but it's not looking great.

Saying that, I don't know who could replace him as leader. The other prominent Labour MPs don't fill me with confidence. I like Wes Streeting, who's sadly battling cancer at the minute, and Burnham to an extent (obviously not an MP at the minute). Starmer might be the one to clear the mess up before someone else comes in to win an election once Boris is gone

 

Prime example of why Labour won't get elected by badging anybody that voted for Johnson as racist gammons. I wonder why 'the right' of the party aren't that arsed about pandering to the Momentum lot.

Quote whatever you want - Corbyn lost two elections. Any other leader of a major political party ever done that? It's the equivalent of us getting relegated but celebrating that we'd scored the most goals in a season. Means nothing.

The aim of the Labour party is to get elected - I'd much rather be pragmatic in power & actually have the ability to impact people's lives than stand on the sidelines being vocal opposition. People sometimes need to swallow their principles & remember the party is here to win to then give them a chance to help the most needy.

 

Starmer is brilliant in PMQs. Makes Boris look like the joke he is.

 

Most people don't. That's part of the problem.

I strongly believe that the single best way to reach the people, is to get out there and speak to the people. Not on TV, but face to face. Pound the streets. Knock on doors. Not just for a few weeks building up to an election, but all of the time.

But the biggest issue in trying to remove the Tories, the party that is nearly always in government, is that they are the party of the rich and powerful. Which is in part, a big reason for Corbyn's demise.

It's a tough one. But this government has been a disaster, as expected. They've made mistake after mistake. I could make a three minute video chronicling the carnage they've caused, show the damage inflicted, highlighting how they're hurting most people. And when you're out and about canvassing, you show people that brief video. Keep reminding them how **** things are and who is to blame.

Starmer is fortunate in that he's not been continually and unfairly attacked by the Tory-defending media. That makes his job, Labour's task that much easier too.

But it's the lefties, those who believed in Corbyn's vision that are going to be tough to talk around. Maybe that's why they're purging folk like that? I dunno anymore. I class myself as that kind of bloke - a 'Corbynista' apparently, a 'commy', and so on. When in reality, I just think we can do things better, nicer, fairer.

I have lost a lot of enthusiasm for politics in the last year or so. I don't often contribute to threads such as this one anymore, nor the endless COVID arguments on here. But I'd still love to see anybody but the Tories in government. And this current lot are as bad as I can remember. So good luck to Starmer and co.

 

It's KEIR... When did being leader of the Labour Party become a competition on who's most left?

 

No policies, declining membership and therefore less funding coming in, increased redundancies within the Party and the only thing Starmer does to look tough for the media is to kick out even more people in his own party. Well done Keir. The most serious observation which I would like pro-Starmer people to explain to me though is what does the Labour Party actually stand for any more? If its just there to 'get into power' as some on here seem to be saying then that strikes me as completely hollow. If there are no policies and no soul anymore then the Emperor has no clothes. Voting for Labour would then be just 'hoping' that things will be better without having any logical reason for assuming so.

 

The format should be changed and renamed PMA’s

 

Here you go:

READ IN FULL: Sir Keir Starmer's victory speech after being named new Labour leader (politicshome.com)

It's there for you to find if you are prepared to look for it.

 

i guess thats one step better than Starmer then.

we have to remember in a modern age elections aren’t won by the policies they are won by the media and how well a party ‘manages’ the populations perception.

 

I've seen that thanks. It did re-highlight two or three things though- interesting that he pays tribute to Jeremy Corbyn as a colleague and friend and then kicks him out of the party/withdraws the whip. Also that he pays tribute to Long-Bailey and then marginalises her from his team. As to the rest of his speech about unity and listening well he's done a good job there hasn't he? Under his tenure the Party has also managed to lose Hartlepool for the first time in 60 years, scrape a by election in Batley and lose its deposit in Amersham ( I think it was Amersham). If that had been Labour's performance under Corbyn you would no doubt be fuming.
At the end of the day it is just a speech and so far he has done nothing consequential whatsoever other than pick on people in his party, reverse the increased membership that was a feature of Corbyn's time and see Labour trail in the polls to possibly the worst, nastiest, most corrupt, incompetent Tory Government in history. If you're happy with that, that's up to you.
Regards Mr Kaht.
P.s. Me and you are only going to agree about horse racing I suspect.