Ken Loach getting removed from Labour party?

I hate getting into navel gazing threads about Labour.

But I’m getting increasingly frustrated by the Corbyn myth.

I voted for him and would happily have seen him in power, but he lost 2 elections, and that’s already one more than most leaders get a chance of.

If BFC’s manager was worshiped by 30% of the fans, he still wouldn’t survive beyond a single relegation, and only a fool would want to wait to see if he could turn it around after 2 relegations.

He’s gone, we have to move on, the obsession with him, whether from the left or the right, does nothing but damage Labours electability.

 

They kicked themselves out.

 

True! And on that note, isn't it a bit too soon for everybody to be writing off Stradivarius? (2/1 this morning!)

 

Trueshan for me. I dont think Stradivarius is the horse he was. I know Dettori didn't ride him as well as he could have done last time but I think he's deteriorated slightly. You should start a Goodwood thread!

 

No, Starmer did it. You may not like Corbyn and Long-Bailey, fair enough, but the decision to kick Corbyn out was Starmer's and the decision to get Long -Bailey off the shadow cabinet was Starmer's.

 

This special is essential viewing

 

Thanks for writing this from my brain! Completely agree with every word.

 

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sorry yeah sir IKEA the little wooden leader. It’s not a competition Labour leader should as a minimum be centre left at the minute if place Kier slightly to the right of Cameron and Clegg which is a problem for a socialist Parry.

 

lost 250 members a day and reduced party finances from 13 million in the bank to only enough for next months wages. Forensic

 

I’m calling racist gammons racist gammons. No one else. Unfortunately Labour are only u
Interested in their vote. Equally those people will never vote for them. The last 2 Labour Centrist leaders did far worse in GEs Brown managed 29%. Miliband lost Scotland making a majority impossible. So I’d hazard a guess that more of that will lead to more of the same.

why briefly do you think in 2024 people will vote for. Blair dominated centre right Labour Party when they wouldn’t in 2010 & 2015 when they were run by much more politically astute leaders. In football terms it’s Danny Wilson Mk2. What worked once now looks tired and jaded mainly because it is.

 

Imagine if all these factions of labour just sucked it up and got behind them...

No party is (or will ever be) perfect, but we can install a government that's infinitely better than the shower that's in at the minute.

 

Maybe instead of calling folk childish names you'd be better off actually looking into what they stand for and what policies they have been releasing.

What part of any of what has been released do you see as right wing?

 

Blair was centre right? Really?

 

Gimme a centre right Labour party all day if it gets us this.

 

Nail on head.

 

What both of them did left him no choice.

If you get a fine for littering the street, you don’t blame the copper or the magistrate - it was you!

edit - and like I said I voted for Corbyn, it’s not a case of ‘not liking’ him, it’s simply a case of accepting that it would be lunacy to hold onto a leader that’s failed to get elected twice.

The Tories (who win elections) get rid of a leader in opposition at any point they see fit.

 

The reason Loach is being removed is due to his membership of one of the 4 left-wing organisations proscribed at the recent NEC meeting.

Given that he was campaigning against the Labour Party a few years ago, it's not exactly a loss.

It's also a necessary part of the long process of Labour dragging themselves out of the sewers after the damage done to it during the Corbyn era. If the wider membership numbers are anything like those reported in my CLP last week then the current spate of resignations are returning membership levels to those seen before the 2019 election. Post-election, the CLP had an influx of new/returning members as a result of Corbyn's departure and Starmer's election. Subsequent to that, there's been resignations of Corbynista's, particularly as the annual cycle of CLP AGM's are electing moderates into the key roles in place of Momentum activists.

For my CLP, last 3 AGM numbers were:
June 2019 - 1450 members
Nov 2020 - 1661
July 2021 - 1427

In that time there's been over 500 new members joining (of which 350 were Dec 2019 to Jan 2020) and around 600 resignations, with a general shift in the membership towards a more moderate politics. I re-joined on the day that Corbyn was suspended for his comments on the day the EHRC report was published, so would consider myself part of the wider cycle.

 

Your last sentence is spot on.

In my one post (that you've replied to here) on the subject, I suggested what I felt was best in terms of uniting the party, winning back voters.

But no matter what I opine in threads such as this, I only ever get Corbyn-related responses.

 

So sad that the working class are so divided.
I'm too old and tired to discuss politics.
Pity that the politicians are not there for the good of the country instead of looking after themselves.
Amen

 

THIIIIIIISSSS.

Post needed more than just liking.