Successful season backed up

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  1. troff

    troff Well-Known Member

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    In the style it appears only Barnsley FC could achieve.

    CEO gone

    Manager gone

    Assistant Manager gone

    Club Captain gone

    All to clubs in the same division with whom we are competing.

    Now, Sedgy the head physio, someone who’s been around for what seems a very long time, is apparently leaving to go to Huddersfield Town. With the club advertising on its website for a new physio, meaning it’s his choice to go as they clearly haven’t got a replacement in mind other than maybe promoting vikki stevens and getting her some assistance.

    Is nobody concerned about all of this happening in the same summer - and why?

    The manager? Ok he was going to be sought after. Adam Murray? Ok he wanted to go with Val - but he’d been here through a lot of the previous managers, why now? Mowatt? I’m sure West Brom offered him more money than we could. Murphy going to Forest as well? That’s all adding up to a lot of the leadership team all leaving at the same time. Then the long standing head physio too? And to Huddersfield, hardly what you’d say to be a step up? I might be being a bit pessimistic and possibly a little bit of a conspiracy theorist but there’s something not right here. All of those people going you might understand individually but when they all go at the same time, you do have to wonder.

    You can’t lose that many people of seniority and it not have an effect.

    And it’s already rearing it’s head.

    Lose an outstanding player in Daryl Dike we had on loan last season - and we weren’t ever realistically going to be able to sign him, I’m not criticising that - so bring in some new centre forwards. Good. Including one of great physicality. Great. Options. But apparently don’t do the correct due diligence on whether two of them will actually ever be granted the right to work in this country… not so great.

    The new manager might prove to be better than ismael. But the showings I’ve seen in the two home games suggest there is a lot of work to do, a lot, to make this team as competitive as it needs to be in this division. But I’m not writing off Schopp or his team, on the pitch we might do ok yet. Remains to be seen.

    We might not - but I’ll give them chance before writing them off. But off the pitch is hugely concerning. It appears a real mess from the outside looking in.

    The new ceo has said little or nothing. Conway and the rest of the ownership group are deafening in their silence. The Cryne’s haven’t said anything for ages. Nobody knows what is going on with the ground ownership issue or the argument over payment for the club.

    We can’t allow any more than 2000 tickets to be sold to away fans or sell any tickets on the day to our own fans, due to not being trusted to steward properly and other unknown policing issues. They’ve closed the back way out of the east stand for what is deemed an emergency rendezvous point - but there’s nobody there other than a couple of stewards, the ambulances are still in the west stand compound and would go out onto grove street. It’s all a bit bizarre. It might be on police instruction - but why are the police doing it? The club must have contributed. Positively or negatively. The clubs response to the stewarding issues it has been criticised for is to continue using the same security company, despite them being named and shamed in a report, and despite the fact the said company can’t provide enough stewards to actually sell the tickets we could.

    For the first game of the season the season tickets for many wouldnt scan leading to huge queues and people missing kick off. This was apparently a ticketmaster issue. Ok - but why weren’t they tested before issue? It’s always somebody else’s fault.

    For the second game, knowing this issue, they didn’t open the turnstiles until less than 45 minutes before kick off in the east stand.

    This is a very long rant I know. But I love this football club. I don’t understand what has happened. Our club used to stand out as being closer to its fans and community than many others. Now we have no idea what’s going on.
     
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  2. red

    red24/7 Well-Known Member

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    There’s a pandemic on
     
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    Just like any other year then?
     
  4. troff

    troff Well-Known Member

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    Only in Barnsley?
     
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    briscatyke Well-Known Member

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    Thought for a minute there that the OP had recorded all our highlights and was offering a DVD / BLU RAY compilation. Shucks.;)
     
  6. troff

    troff Well-Known Member

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    I have but the ball keeps disappearing off screen above the camera shot ;-)
     
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    Yep, it's extremely concerning. And the people who aren't concerned are just burying their heads in the sand.
     
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    red24/7 Well-Known Member

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    Just saying everyone reevaluating their lives and things harder to organise in these times
     
  9. dreamboy3000

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    All those positions you named will have left us for more money elsewhere, so no different to any other season. I hope we don't lose Craig Sedgwick but he wouldn't be the first physio we've ever lost and I have never known people to be bothered in the past when we've lost physios. Dike was never ours.

    The club should have checked the cards before they got sent out instead of just assuming they would work. It wouldn't have taken long to put a card in front of a scanner in the office before posting it out. It's the clubs fault about stewards too because they have had long enough to prepare for fans being allowed back.
     
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    We're following previous years trends.
    Do well, get rid, stumble around for 9 months, get relegated (maybe, maybe not), do well, get promoted, high hopes, hopes dashed, get rid, stumble ....
    It's the current BFC way.
     
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    At least the spot the ball contest didn’t go wrong,not even we could mess that up ...... what’s that it did wtf we are ******
     
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    I must be the only one who has never heard of Sedgy , is he the Lionel Messi of Physio’s ?
     
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    The 4 famous Gone brothers.
     
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    I don't share all these concerns in quite the same way. We have consistently promoted ourselves as a 'stepping stone' club, which will seek to establish young players and administrators in the hope of their being able to move on to greater things. You have to say that the evidence of last season says that this is working fine. Ismael had the 'get out' clause from the start and chose to exercise it with the Baggies. He got what he wanted out of coming to us and chose to cash in sooner, rather than later. We got two million. I would rather have kept Val, but club and coach knew the score when he signed a contract with us. Dane had done three years with us in this country, so, presumably, was in a position to be able to move on and apply for other posts within the UK. I don't think that we will have got any recompense for him from Forest, but it may well have been always in Dane's thinking that he could become mobile after three years. Mowatt drifted out of contract, which is unusual for us, but the board clearly did all they could to keep him and, if Val hadn't gone to the Baggies, there would have been a better chance Alex would have stayed on. That's just serendipity from Alex's point of view - he is with a manager he trusts and will be on way more money than we could pay him. Good luck to him there. The only way we could have got DK was if we had got promoted. We did a top job for Orlando City in touting him as a Premiership player and it might yet happen, but it has gone very quiet, please note. The Baggies would seem his best bet, but I wouldn't be surprised if interest in him wanes and his stock price, whether permanent transfer, or loan, may drop considerably as the deadline approaches.

    My only real issue is with respect to the Belgian lads. If this really is a visa issue, the rules and points system should have been factored in from before any contracts were signed. If there is a visa issue, rather than a fitness one (different websites seem to have different views), the club may have messed up on this. If they are not going to be able to get visas, we need to sign a couple PDQ before the deadline to replace them. I think that we need clarity from the club on this issue, as well as the access issues. That is an aspect which hasn't improved since the departure of Dane. Come on, board members, let us know what is really happening with these things. COYR
     
  15. Loko the Tyke

    Loko the Tyke Administrator Staff Member Admin

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    Some fair comments in there but also a lot that we expected and not much acknowledgement for the pace at which we replaced them.

    Any success for a club our size and the vultures will circle. Some people talk like that’s unique to Barnsley but it happens to teams all over the world from Monaco to Southampton to Villarreal.

    I don’t like that we lost our CEO to an expired contract but I do like that we had someone lined up and they’re due to start any week now. We moved at the same pace we did to get Schopp in. In the past we’d have been scrambling around for a new manager for weeks and that would have impacted recruitment, but we didn’t have that this time. Until the international clearance issues which I put down to losing the club secretary. Not ideal at all, but I wonder if without that some of the annoyances people have would even get a mention?

    Some of our coaching staff followed Big Val because 1) what they achieved last season was beyond just survival and that creates a bond greater than previous seasons 2) they didn’t turn the opportunity down like when Hecky left for Leeds 3) Johnson and Struber didn’t want to take them

    We’ve essentially been lucky that we didn’t lose them previously rather than unlucky they went this time.

    Losing a physio has never bothered us before. Hardly even got a mention anywhere. Never fun to see someone leave with a long association, but it happens, and if we’ve got someone already in place and good enough to take the reigns then that’s brilliant in my eyes. Internal promotions should be applauded, assuming that’s the route we go down.

    The match day issues are concerning. They’re easily explained but that still leaves a few questions as to how we got there and what we need to do to move on from them.
     
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  16. RamTam

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    I'm more concerned about financial stability which the current model gives us. Folk leaving is not ideal but we'll never have any control over it so worrying about it is nothing but a detriment to your own health.

    I'd be much more worried if they were throwing money at the squad in the vain hope of repeating the one off season that was last year. If we'd kept Val, do you really think people wouldn't have been prepared for his 1 dimensional tactics this time around?

    Belgian lads is a shocker but at least we have a production line of cheap players developing through so we're never far off the quality at this level.

    And I've no concerns about the Physio. It's a standardised industry so his replacement will be no worse or better. If he fancied a change then good for him and I wish him well.

    Would love to know more about the ground, Crynes and CEO situation. My guess is the new CEO hasn't arrived yet and Conway has some legal battle with Murphy so they're deliberately not commenting so not to jeopardise any case.
     
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    Not concerned.

    Manager - poached due to success, more money.
    Assistant Manager - gone with Manager.
    Club Captain - out of contract.
    CEO - we've had a number over the years all good, all replaceable. He's back to being muted at Forest.
     
  18. Andy Mac

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    I keep using the school analogy.

    Turn up with your nippers in September after 6 WEEKS OFF to be told they might not be allowed in as they found a building issue the day before re-opening.

    On day 2, the playgrounds deemed unsafe and you can only allow half the kids in.

    It's identified too at playtime that the school believed they would be ok with 2 teaching assistants and they admit they should have employed 20. They are now struggling to recruit as all local qualified teaching assistants have found work at better organised schools.

    The poor kids meanwhile are starting to feel hungry, but it seems the smart cards in the canteen aren't scanning and the dinnerladies have been told not to take cash.

    Parents plead for a statement on the crisis from the Head but he is conspicuous by his absence. The deputy head has left - nobody knew - and the 2 dependable go-to teachers have decided to move to more ambitious schools.

    I'm dreading results day.
     
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    I’m not going to throw a tantrum because the physio is leaving.
     
  20. Loko the Tyke

    Loko the Tyke Administrator Staff Member Admin

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    Also on this one he hasn’t even started with us yet. I wouldn’t expect to hear from him until his notice is served in full at his current employer.
     

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