Ivermectin

Let them decide if they want to smoke, go to school or have kids of their own in that case then.

 

Well, maybe so. Maybe not.

But the problem is when things just get dismissed. Ivermectin was probably mentioned by Trump so immediately it's bad. It's ideology and it's stupid.

 

Alex Jones, big anti-lockdown guy. Says it all.

That's how that works, right?

 

Le sigh. A pointless straw man argument that in no way links to the discussion. Congratulations

My mates kid 15 terminally ill has just made the decision supported by her parents to discontinue treatment. Maybe they should just ignore her wishes.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/science...-over-ethical-concerns?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

 

even funnier that his wife has a restraining order against him so his knows whose family he’s been giving horse tablets to.

 

Not really sure why you think it's a pointless argument and that it doesn't link into the discussion when you made a sweeping statement that all 12-15 year olds are capable of making an informed decision. The behaviour of the vast majority of kids in that age range would suggest they aren't.

I also appreciate that some adults can't make informed decisions too, it's how we ended up with the government we have.

 

Tut tut, you're forgetting we absolutely have to trust this government completely and do everything they say to the letter. If Boris tells me that I must let my child decide whether they have a medical procedure then I shall absolutely do it. And so should you!

 

When it costs them money not to? When it costs them votes?

 

Because a) they don't want you draining what they have to spend on the NHS, b) they don't want to pay you invalidity benefits and c) they want you fit and alive so they can tax you.

 

Trump has never pushed Ivermectin. As I have said already there have been some limited studies showing that IV treatment may be useful in very specific situations. That lead to Anti Vax conspiracy theorists to try and get Doctors to prescribe the tablets used for parasite treatments in humans. Those doctors morally couldn't as it's not licensed for use for treatment or prevention of covid.

This lead to some smart Alec figuring out that some horse wormer pastes contain Ivermectin and started medicating using the horse bodyweight scale. Since then, some "comedian" has infiltrated their forums and social media groups to advocate taking of the LD50 (50% lethal) dosage.

Ivermectin is a potent anti-parasitic insecticide which can cause serious long term harm if not death. This is why hospitals in the US are now filling up with people seriously ill from overdoses of the stuff. This is a very sad chain of events that comes down to the misinformation of people pushing Ivermectin as a miracle covid cure when it is not licensed and virtually all studies are limited in scope and at this stage inconclusive.

Would you be concerned about people self administering store bought Rat Poison because Warfarin can be used as an anticoagulant?

 

did your kid get the MMMR vaccine as a child? Why?

 

The JCVI refuses to recommend vaccinating kids. As do the WHO. The government asks them to think again. Now the government want to bypass all this and get kids to make the choice, which of course means they'll be manipulated into it. Because, you know, kids are impressionable.
And still everyone backs the government. Honestly couldn't make it up.

I'm honestly done on COVID.

 

I think kids will.be just as if not more influenced by their parents as any info put out by the govt/schools.

 

Article in the Grauniad....

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/sep/04/oklahoma-doctor-ivermectin-covid-coronavirus

 

I think they're far more likely to be influenced by threats of removing their ability to socialise and attend events unless they have it. The blackmail is the biggest influence here not their parents

 

Of course it links to the discussion. You are saying that 12 year old kids across the board should be left to make up their own mind about something which scientists cannot agree on. By that logic they should also be left to make up their own mind on other things that affect them right?

Some of them are more than capable of making up their own minds but some aren't. Remember your kids aren't representative of all kids

 

And scientists in every other European country?

 

Nope its a straw man argument it’s like you saying Barnsley are playing well and me saying yes but the sky is orange.

If between the parents and a child aged 12-15 they cannot have a sensible discussion and come to the decision either way then the vaccine is the least of their parental worries.

My view is give everyone the choice. Then those decisions can be made by families. For my kids I’d just listen to what they want and their reasons. Other parents might be more forthright and take the decision out of their hands. But the choice should be there.