This country - the way forward.

Discussion in 'Bulletin Board' started by StatisTYKE, Sep 9, 2021.

  1. StatisTYKE

    StatisTYKE Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 12, 2011
    Messages:
    2,127
    Likes Received:
    5,236
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Rodent Disposal Operative.
    Location:
    In basket by the fire, having a think.
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    The Rhineland business model.

    I’d never even heard of this until a while ago. It’s hugely different to the Anglo-Saxon (or Anglo-American) business model promoted by Reagan and Thatcher

    Here’s a definition….

    "The Rhineland business model and the leadership practices associated with it can be defined as a management approach based on concepts of cooperation, consensus, social justice, and serving the interests of multiple stakeholders. Chief concern is the long-term sustainability of an enterprise.

    A Rhineland firm views itself as an interdependent part of a wider community that offers a lasting place for each of its members rather than simply as a moneymaking machine for investors.

    Under the Rhineland model, a firm’s success derives from taking a long-term perspective in making decisions; developing a skilled and loyal workforce; and offering innovative products, services, and solutions of high quality. The objective is not to maximize profits in the short term but to generate long-term value for all stakeholders."

    I might not have heard of the Rhineland model but I now realise the agency I worked at for years had a Rhineland company as a client. They came to this country with a very expensive product no one thought they could sell. Yet they operated with a clear plan and in the way described above. They were, and remain, the best run company I have ever worked for. BMW.

    The Rhineland model. The way forward. Oh… hold on.… two wars, one world cup etc etc
     
  2. Red

    RedVesp Guest

    So, common sense?
     
    RamTam likes this.
  3. StatisTYKE

    StatisTYKE Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 12, 2011
    Messages:
    2,127
    Likes Received:
    5,236
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Rodent Disposal Operative.
    Location:
    In basket by the fire, having a think.
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    Precisely. And that's why the Tories will never understand it.
     
    ScubaTyke, RamTam and RedVesp like this.
  4. Win

    Winchester Tyke Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 17, 2005
    Messages:
    666
    Likes Received:
    284
    Trophy Points:
    63
    Home Page:
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    I advocated that in a chapter in a book back in 1997, prior to the election of the New Labour government under Blair. I didn't think the Blair government would go for a socialist alternative, so thought this was an option they could and would go for. Unfortunately they didn't
     
  5. StatisTYKE

    StatisTYKE Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 12, 2011
    Messages:
    2,127
    Likes Received:
    5,236
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Rodent Disposal Operative.
    Location:
    In basket by the fire, having a think.
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    Good work. It just seems so obvious that this is how capitalism should work. Unless of course you're intent on raking it all in for yourself.
     
    ScubaTyke and Kettlewell like this.
  6. exiled

    exiled Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 1, 2006
    Messages:
    8,620
    Likes Received:
    8,613
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Melton Mowbray.....Pies n Cheese.
    Home Page:
    Style:
    Barnsley
    I work for a German company who have this as their ethos. "Maximum" is never mentioned, it's all about "optimum" and yes basically it's just a commonsense approach, but the thing with commonsense is, it's not very common.
    I'm 25 years in next year.
     
  7. Brush

    Brush Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 16, 2005
    Messages:
    16,958
    Likes Received:
    15,945
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Ex-IT professional
    Location:
    Swadlincote, South Derbyshire
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    It'll never happen here then.
     
  8. Mr C

    Mr C Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 9, 2011
    Messages:
    24,942
    Likes Received:
    15,732
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Saving the world.
    Location:
    Wentworth
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    Soz, couldn’t help myself .. :oops:
     
  9. e-red

    e-red Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 12, 2008
    Messages:
    2,514
    Likes Received:
    2,355
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Cambridge, Cambridgeshire, United Kingdom
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    Worked in a German factory in the 70s when the class war was in full swing over here. Unions had members on the board helping to make decisions that benefited everybody. Every day you were given a meal (on night shift it was the kind you got on a flight brought in from the airport). On other days you stood in a queue in the canteen and just took your place, one day you might sit next to a floor sweeper, the next the MD. everyone felt important and got on with the job. In the UK everyone was part of a faction and it was about power and control.
     
    Connor and Kettlewell like this.
  10. Sparky

    Sparky Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 8, 2011
    Messages:
    4,022
    Likes Received:
    3,554
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    Wouldn't we better carrying on as now and just making it up as we go
     
  11. StatisTYKE

    StatisTYKE Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 12, 2011
    Messages:
    2,127
    Likes Received:
    5,236
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Rodent Disposal Operative.
    Location:
    In basket by the fire, having a think.
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    Exactly. I worked for BMW when they had their new headquarters built in Bracknell. I was down there a lot and they had two dining rooms - one big, one small. You could eat in either. I asked why. They said the British architects had intended the smaller one as for directors only. The German directors thought this amusingly British and opened up both to everybody.

    I was only young at the time but if I'd had an idea for something that was thought worth pursuing I was invited along to explain it to the MD myself rather than going through some credit-claiming back-stabbing management hierarchy. And then I started working for British companies....
     
    e-red, ScubaTyke, Kettlewell and 4 others like this.
  12. Dalestykes

    Dalestykes Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 15, 2017
    Messages:
    5,232
    Likes Received:
    7,554
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    Your book! Tell us more?
     
    Connor likes this.
  13. Farnham_Red

    Farnham_Red Administrator Staff Member Admin

    Joined:
    Jul 18, 2005
    Messages:
    34,391
    Likes Received:
    23,828
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Farnham
    Style:
    Barnsley

    I've been employed by British companies and american companies and for the last 15 years or so have been employed by an american owned british company but have actually done all my work for a German/Austrian company. The way my client operates is similar to the BMW approach outlined above its totally different and so much better than the British/American approach. They have quite a low staff turnover, separate salary structures for managers and engineers - so you can continue as an engineer and with experience earn as much as or more than your boss in the management flow
    invest heavily in staff training and benefits.I used to know one of the directors well (hes retired now) as we worked together in the early 90's and he was just a normal guy happily eat with you in the canteen - go out for a beer after work with the team etc and would always talk to me if he saw me and I had no problem to talk directly to him if needed - the idea of seperate dining rooms would have filled him with horror.
    Pre Brexit they would have offered me a full time job there - but I would have had to move to Austria and for various personal reasons it wasn't practical - its a shame as I wish I had gone now. Though I still effectively work for them remote from England - I dont get the same benefits or training
     
    Connor, ScubaTyke and Kettlewell like this.
  14. Redarmy87

    Redarmy87 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 29, 2018
    Messages:
    4,917
    Likes Received:
    6,857
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    Thought Alan Partridge had got a new documentary out when I read the thread title :D
     
  15. StatisTYKE

    StatisTYKE Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 12, 2011
    Messages:
    2,127
    Likes Received:
    5,236
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Rodent Disposal Operative.
    Location:
    In basket by the fire, having a think.
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    It's so obviously better. Although not if you're intent on making sure only those at the very top benefit.
     
    Farnham_Red likes this.

Share This Page