Keir Starmer

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  1. KamikazeCo-Pilot

    KamikazeCo-Pilot Well-Known Member

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    Ran on a platform of uniting the Labour Party and at a time when the country is in a complete mess he resorts to putting forward rule changes to future leadership elections on the eve of conference. Totally shambolic, unnecessary and divisive. The man is a fool.
     
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    Fool is being kind.
     
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    It does feel like a strange time to pick this particular fight.
     
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    I liked a lot of Jeremy Corbyns policies but didn't think he was a good leader. I have yet to see any Starmer policies and he seems to be a crap leader.
    Edit. Anyway I've had a bit of a rant so I'm done now. Some folks on here like him which is fair enough if people do. I honestly can't see it myself. Cheers
     
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    Do we think Dan Jarvis stepping down from mayor is in preparation for a leadership contest?
     
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    The next Labour leader needs to be a leaver. Otherwise they'll never recapture the Brexit voting Labour voters that voted UKIP or Conservative.
     
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    As brexit looks more and more foolish by the day?
     
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    The next Leader needs to be a Democratic Socialist. Like it said on my card, before I binned it and cancelled my subs.

    Sir Keith’s not ‘Tory-Lite’, he’s full blown Tory. Knight of the Realm running the Labour Party indeed………
     
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    Ask yourself what the electorate want. That or spend twenty more years watching blundering Boris.
     
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    If the next leader isn’t a real leftie, they might as well pack in now.
     
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    But at least he's our Tory! :)
     
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    And also if he/she is. ;)
     
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    I don't know if anyone saw this earlier today. Interesting watch.

     
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    The current arrangements delivered us Jeremy Corbyn who was roundly rejected by the electorate it was also how Starmer got voted in at first ballot.

    I really don't see the issue it gives Union members and MPs more say on who leads the Labour Party not factions within the party.

    Calling him a tory really is lazy and I'd suggest doing more research on his past and what he has said regarding the future of the country.
     
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    I wasn't going to make any further comments Mr Kaht as I've raised the issue and had my say but seeing as you asked me directly... I think Starmer's tactics are all wrong. He's knee-jerked to the right and is going after a vote that he isn't necessarily going to win in my opinion. This effort (policy) of trying to look tough on the left is a foolish tactic and will backfire both in terms of uniting the party as he promised and in appealing to the broader electorate. The electorate wont vote for a party that's clearly infighting and although he may pick up some votes from people disgruntled with the Tories it wont be enough. The Tories wont implode but if they do lose votes the LibDems will pick up a lot. He should be brave, cooperate with the Left and win the argument in the country with socialist policies which many voters actually like the sound of. He would gain more votes that way and if he had an environmental policy to go with it he would claw progressive votes from the Lib Dems and Greens. It doesn't look like he's doing that though. He's bottling it and looks like he's just trying to show he's not Jeremy Corbyn. His tactics are wrong and if he does indeed renage on the promises he made when running that he would keep many socialist policies then he's a liar as well. Right I've done. That's my view. If you think I'm wrong fair enough. Your view is just as valid as mine. Cheers.
     
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    Did anyone see Angela Raynor rip Raab to shreds today in P.M.'s questions and made him look like a bumbling idiot.
    People pulling Starmer down must want another 10 years of austerity more food banks the rich getting richer and must love having a nitwit in number10.
     
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    What about researching the last 18 months? He’s declared war on the socialists, the Labour youth, the trade unions, the large Muslim membership………

    Just who is going to vote for them next time? The ‘Red Wall’ isn’t a thing either by the way.
     
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    The real leftie lost the last 2 elections despite the Tories campaign completely falling apart during the first. A real leftie is the last thing Labour need for the next leader.
     
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    This.
     
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    Thanks for that, the Labour Party has overcome the right wing press before, the key to success in British politics is charisma, sad but true, Blair swept to power on the back of charm and smarm, I myself bought into it in the early days, then it became clear pretty quickly that the man was a puppet for Murdoch and the like, the Labour banner was, and still is, being flown under false pretences and false promises.
    Apathy is the scourge of the Labour movement, which in itself is ironic as the very leader of the Labour Party is an apathetic character, seen to be more interested in gutting the party rather than taking on an obvious charlatan in Boris Johnson.
    I've said it before and here I am saying it again, the Labour Party MUST pull itself away from the London centric career politician, Kier Starmer is the very personification of this, it needs to connect to the modern man, woman and child in our multicultural society, it needs to say what the working class fears are and put forward credible alternatives as policy, solid policy that matter to all of Great Britain and not just the South East, a leader from solid working class roots that does not fear the tory press, someone that would rather stand on a crate in a factory carpark and rally the people than the greasy, corrupt, bloodstained halls of Westminster.
    Kier Starmer IS NOT that man, he never was.
    I can only hope that the vacuum is filled sooner rather than later, because I want a Labour party to do what it's supposed to do and that is to create a society that cares for the whole and not the few.
     

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