Keir Starmer

You said he is a tory he isn't snd never has been as his working history and voting record shows.

Like I say it's lazy.

He hasn't declared war on anyone he's done things his own way and set about clearing up the mess that was left after 2019 which some people don't like.

I'm a socialist union member he hasn't declared war on me in fact I agree with most of what he has done trying to move us on from the disaster of the last leadership.

 

Always liked what Raynor says and how she comes across, but her voice always grated on me big time.
Saw her on BBC other week and she sounded much better, couldn’t help if she’d been deliberately working on it.

 

Stab in the dark here, but I'm guessing you own your own house?

 

And your view is just as valid as mine, KCP!

The antics of the Left turn voters off, so far as I can see. Attempting to change back to the electoral college for leadership elections is a very good move in my opinion. The present system brought us the worst Labour leader in my lifetime. And if policy has to be based on members' motions from the conference floor then the 'leader' becomes simply a follower. I do think that you appear to be criticising Starmer's policies for lurching too far to the right but simultaneously claiming he doesn't have any policies! Can't be both, Captain! FWIW I think he has been right to keep his powder dry up to now. There is no mileage in pinning your colours to the mast to be shot at. The focus has rightly been kept on the shortcomings of the Johnson government. However, I think the turning point is now upon us. I think Johnson is bound to go to the country early - before the you-know-what hits the fan in 2023. So now is the time to put flesh on the bones.

And with that, I'm off to read the legendary 'essay', which I gather has been published overnight!

 

And here it is: The-Road-Ahead-FINAL_WEB-fri.pdf

I commend this to any and all on here. This pamphlet is not so much the detailed policy, but the philosophy which will underpin that policy. Not a bad idea to know where you going before working out how you're going to get there. Starmer surveys the landscape of previous Labour administrations (concluding that it is more important to look forward) and looks at the descent of Conservative governments into a selfish individualism and nationalism, as well as the naked self-interest which woven through their administration of contracts and public money. He does not accept the distinction in Labour between principle and power and asserts that it is desirable to seek both. The central theme is the provision of security (employment rights and housing) and equality of opportunity (especially in education and training). He asserts his belief in the need for partnership between public and private enterprise and re-states the need to return to well-resourced and managed public services, such as was promoted in the Blair/Brown years. He also makes the distinction between patriotism (good) and nationalism (bad).

I can't see anything that even the most ardent anti-Starmerites could disagree with in here. But of course (cliche bingo) there will be much devil in the detail. Whether he gets the chance to put all this into practice remains to be seen. I personally hope so.

 

The labour party is a confused rabbit caught in the headlights that will have no chance of getting back in unless they stand in front of a mirror and realise how weak they actually are.
This unfortunately is unforgivable as it lets these ******* monsters have a free run at doing exactly as they please.
Come on labour ffs get a grip and grow some ******** for all our sakes

 

Funny, but Sir Keir has nothing to say about rabbits!

 

Initially thought he was pretty decent, but has gone massively downhill in my estimation. His complete intransigence in refusing to even consider reforming the UK's outdated and damaging drugs policy is one of many areas where he's been a complete letdown. Obviously there are plenty of more pressing issues, but I think it's quite indicative of his general uselessness.

 

Nope

 

I enjoyed McDonnell describing it as: “the sermon on the Mount written by a focus group.”

Good luck to the bloke. He doesn’t inspire me in the slightest. But in all fairness, he wouldn’t want to inspire me. He sees Labour voters (and former members) like myself as the enemy within. That - unlike his policies - he has made very clear.

 

Tis each to their own, Mr White! But did you disagree with anything said in his pamphlet?

 

I found it vacuous clap-trap. Reminded me of the stuff once trotted out by David Cameron or Nick Clegg.

It spoke a lot but said very little.

If it impressed you, then as you say, each to their own.

Despite my lack of love for our knight of the realm, I still stand by what I’ve always said about him. I’ll vote Labour led by him if it means removing the Tory party from government.

 

I think Keir's call (as shadow Brexit minister) for a second Brexit referendum (which made it into the 2019 manifesto) did a good job of turning away undecided voters.

https://www.ft.com/content/e3e26a2d-76c7-4fbb-beba-9baf77733f96

 

It seems strange to me that the people in parliament who have to follow him don't get more of a say then me, sat at home, with no responsibility to run the country or to get elected based on the job he/she is doing. The purpose of the Labour party is to win elections, if it doesn't do that then its a busted flush - Corbyn might tick all the boxes for your dyed in the wool socialists but he's never going to get elected, and neither is the next Corbyn or the one after that. At the last election Labour returned their lowest number of seats since 1935, the experiment of allowing everyone who is a member the same voting weight led directly to this disaster.

 

Maybe confronting the Tories, taking them on, that'd be a start.

 

Basically Labour need to get someone who is outrageous in charge. Someone who lies constantly, treats people with distain but does it in a jokey manner. I'm thinking maybe John Cleese in his Basil Fawlty character or maybe David Jason as Del Boy. I know they're old but people remember them from a time when metric measures were being used. When racial jokes were acceptable and being woke meant you're alarm went off 5 mins earlier than planned before your shift down the pit or Mill.

 

Something I regularly encountered when canvassing was people that called themselves lifelong labour voters that would be voting conservative. When asked it turned out they’d not voted Labour in 20+ years. I see lots similar on here, clearly fairly right wing conservative types pontificating on what would make them want to be Labour.
In football terms it’s like a Man City fan saying they think they’d support man United if only they demolished old Trafford, play in sky blue and let city beat them any time they played.