Sack the manager if you like..

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  1. Terry Nutkins

    Terry Nutkins Well-Known Member

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    I hope they’ve not waited until you posted.

    Then we really are in the mire if they have been checking the BBS for SM to turn up before kicking into action.
     
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    I'm also good with spreadsheets
     
  3. ley

    leythtyke Well-Known Member

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    Not sure about that. Whoever comes in will need to bring some basic organisation to the side, and we’ll see some improvement, to at least keep us in with a chance of staying up.

    If Schopp gets till the next break after this one, we’ll be 5+ points from fourth bottom. If he gets till Christmas then he may as well get the full season to see how bad we can be.
     
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  4. ley

    leythtyke Well-Known Member

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    The LWB selection is odd though. Brought B Williams in for the Blackpool game when he has the option to play Styles there with CMs available. Then initially picks Styles to play there on Wednesday and when he moves in, it’s J Williams that goes to the left. Then back to Ben Williams.

    First choice to third choice back to first choice.
     
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  5. Loko the Tyke

    Loko the Tyke Administrator Staff Member Admin

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    The Gomes conundrum. Doesn’t make any sense
     
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    I always assume that the Chief Coach knows far more about the game than I do. If you do that, it then becomes just a matter of working out his motives. Millwall are a very strong, very tall and very physical team. I believe that prompted Schopp to adopt a different way of playing to the direct style that he used against Forest. There would have been no point hitting long balls to the forwards who played against Forest, or the ones who played yesterday, and indeed it was a Millwall tactic to block out way forward using short passes from the keeper, in order to force us to do just that. In the conditions that I have outlined, it would make little sense in bringing Gomes into midfield. He is tiny. He wanted someone there who could compete physically, and indeed Ismael used Halme in that way last season.
     
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    I really value different perspectives, especially when they view the game from a different viewpoint than the blust and thunder of pure passion and in the moment reaction that many of us have.

    However, you’ve got to be consistent with what you say and you didn’t assume that Val knew more than you when it came to the personnel to play 3-4-3. So you’re opening gambit here isn’t true.

    Also, Palmer/Styles isn’t a physical midfield. Otherwise I would completely get what you’re saying on tactics specifically for Millwall.
     
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    I did not enjoy the way that Ismael chose to play the game. I felt that the players would not be able to make the forward press work for a full season, and if the forward press does not work, then the high line does not work either. I was wrong, because I did not allow for him changing the front 3 after an hour. There is no argument that based upon the conditions that applied last season, the team was very successful, but I have said all of that before. Val does know more about the game than I do, but I still do not like the style he played at Barnsley last season.

    I replied to your post saying that you you did not understand the Gomez conundrum. I gave you a way of doing so, and I provided you with an explanation based upon that assumption.
     
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    Just to squash the myth that it's "more or less the same team as last season"

    No Dike. No Mowatt. No Anderson. No Morris.

    Plus, we've changed our LWB for some reason and started a Williams instead. Then we're missing Solbauer in the dressing room as a leader.

    Also, Brittain and Palmer aren't at the level they were last year.

    Having said that, Schopp isn't helping himself at the minute.
     
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    A few people have pointed out the comparison with the team we had in January last season when we had no Dike or Morris and Ismael had dug a team without belief out of the doldrums and taken them to mid table. Most people's expectations this season were for mid table because Dike and Mowatt had gone.
    We're bottom three.
     
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    Oh I agree - as we're mine.

    I'm just pointing out that we don't have "more or less" the same team that's all.
     
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    Not to the team that finished the season, no. If we did I'd expect any decent manager to have us in the top ten.
    Schopp may turn out to be the next Pep. The odds look like he won't though and I'm a firm believer in working on the evidence that is there rather than leaps of faith. For me he has to go now while the situation is recoverable.
     
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    Same folk last season were saying the likes of Brittain, Helik and Styles would be poached to premier league clubs now apparently they’re league one
     
  14. ley

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    It is a far cry from last seasons team, but the LWB is being picked by Schopp and he’s got to ask himself why he can’t get the best out of the likes of brittain and Palmer.

    At the start of the season I was just hoping for reaching 50 points with a bit to spare. We have 4 points from 9 games. That’s record breaking relegation form.
     
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    I don't think the problem is the coach. Last season was a one off. It was false due to there being no fans, no funds for championship clubs to strengthen, 5 subs which ismael made good use of to keep up our press. We also signed 2 players in January who made a huge difference, adding physicality and goals. Both those players aren't playing and Dike's replacement isn't either. We lost our captain and championship experience from our midfield. We lost another key player in Andersen. Benson has missed too many games. Kitching was playing well and got suspended. Iseka clearly isn't fit but appears to have some unearthed quality. It's been a hugely disruptive start. If we could have made 5 subs at qpr we would have seen that one through. We were outstanding first half and had chances to make it 3 nil. The priority during the summer should have been to replace Mowatt and Dike. We might have done that with the latter in oulare but we looked like a u23 team yesterday against an experienced championship side. We didn't need more average strikers and u23 squad additions. We needed an experienced midfielder with championship experience. You can only play with the cards you've been dealt and at the moment it's the 11 on the pitch that aren't good enough. I'm sure everyone would recognise Farke as a good coach but Norwich can't compete in the Premier league because they don't have the players. I don't know at this stage if Schopp is any good but I cannot see how it would be any different with anyone else
     
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    In spite of all this he still picks and plays players out of position.
     
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    The squad is undoubtedly weaker than last season, but there is the nucleus of players there to work with. Collins, Helik, Styles, Palmer, Brittain and Woodrow all played regularly last season. I wouldn’t be so bothered if we could see what we were even trying to do in games, but just not being good enough. But we look like a poorly coached team.

    A decent coach keeps us out of the bottom 6 IMO. This one has us in the bottom 3 with results getting worse.
     
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