If you thought the gun laws in the US are mental

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  1. Terry Nutkins

    Terry Nutkins Well-Known Member

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    I have only followed that one loosely but wasn't it admitted that he only fired when a gun was raised and pointed at him?

    Not saying that I agree with US gun laws btw!
     
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    No.

    The two people he killed were actually unarmed. The third he shot, who survived, had a pistol. Which he didn’t see.

    He was carrying a semi automatic shot gun.

    His defence was he feared for his life as he was frightened the people he shot were going to take his gun off him and kill him with it.

    He also said he was only there (he travelled there across a state boundary) as a local business asked him to come to help.

    17 year old kid. All sounds legit. In no way is he a right wing, trump rallying maniac, a ‘patriot’ who turned up with a gun to help the police ‘protect the streets’ from these pesky folk protesting for racial equality.

    Not guilty. No white privilege. Nothing to see here.
     
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    Merde Tete Well-Known Member

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    One of my favourite countries in the world to visit. But Jesus, it's absolutely fcked up.
     
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    Tobys Knackers Well-Known Member

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    Wow - genuinely hadn't followed it so didn't know that.
     
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    one of them was stamping on his head and the other was about to smash him on head with a skateboard,how is a 17 year old,allowed such a powerful weapon ?,do not think we really understand the country , they speak same language as us but that's about it
     
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    The stamping on the head thing is anecdotal isn’t it? Think it’s denied by some witnesses in fairness. Haven’t seen all the footage to know for sure. But there is video footage of people ‘on his side’ asking him why he shot the person he’d just killed. In the same video he’d just said in a very blasé fashion that he’d just killed somebody.

    He was so traumatised by that experience he went on to kill and maim other people. In self defence.

    I’ve read a lot of this - of course I’m not privy to all the arguments and defence - but I’m not sure I buy the rhetoric.

    He wasn’t even old enough to legally use the gun in the state he was in - but legally owned it in his home state.

    Honestly, the usa has some ****** up laws. It really does. But even with those laws, I’m not convinced he’d be walking free tonight had he been black, Hispanic or Asian and had done the same thing.

    It stinks to me. How you can take a deadly weapon to somewhere like that with full intention of using it - and then walk free having killed people? I just can’t fathom it.
     
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    He definitely shouldn’t have been there and should be punished for that( he’s definitely a racist a-hole), but did you see the video of the guy chasing him and throwing stuff at him until he was cornered? Chasing someone down who’s armed with a semi automatic weapon and then still going for him when he’s cornered smacks of deep stupidity. One of those killed is a convicted child molester and they were mindlessly destroying property all over the place - some “protest”, seems like they were just using the BLM banner as an excuse for smashing sht up- notice none of those involved with the shooting were even black.
     
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    I've given up on America. They're going to vote back in some Trump wannabe on the strength of religious intolerance, sheer lack of education and a lack of moral compass.
    I definitely think and hope California and the North East would be better if the seceded and started out on their own and left the neanderthals in Florida and the bible belt to wallow in their ignorance.
     
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    I didn’t in fairness no.

    I maintain if you put yourself in that environment with a gun - and know you’ll use it if anyone does anything remotely threatening to you - then you are a premeditated murderer. But that does put a bit of a different spin on it.
     
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    He was looking for trouble and found it for sure.
     
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    I'm a loony lefty but if you've followed the trial in any detail not guilty is the correct verdict.
     
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    I wonder what people think will happen next.
     
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    Was the correct verdict
     
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    I'm torn on this one.

    On one hand my gut says he was there looking for trouble. He was a gun nut who probably had a boner at the thought of being able to use it.

    On the other hand the prosecution was absolutely awful. The lead prosecutor made Marcus Schopp look competent!

    Based on the actual trial I think the judge and jury made the correct decision 100%. However I feel that with a more competent prosecution then a different verdict would have come.
     
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    That doesn't look anecdotal to me.

    And he wasn't carrying a shotgun he was carrying a semi-automatic (1 bullet fired per trigger squeeze).

    Agree or disagree with the verdict, but he has been found not guilty.
     

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    I’m perplexed at the replies on this thread.

    Pictures showing the kid being attacked as a defence. He was walking down the road and has already shot 2 people dead before he was attacked.

    The mad thing is, he was away from home at 17 carrying an illegal weapon in the state he was in. A weapon that the US army uses btw not a pistol.

    People using a skateboard as a line of attack are met with weaponry used in Army’s. The reason he was attacked was he’d already shot two unarmed people.
     
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    That's not really relevant to whether it was self defence or not. He was an idiot, but that doesn't make him a murderer. In the context of the laws in America it wasn't murder.

    As I understand it the people who got shot all instigated confrontation with him when he was outnumbered. One lunged at him and went for his gun while screaming "**** you", one attacked him with a skateboard, and the other testified that Rittenhouse only shot him when he aimed his own gun at Rittenhouse's head.

    Now Rittenhouse is almost certainly an alt-right *****, and the gun laws are all kinds of ****** up but in the context of a country where the use of lethal force is justified in self defence then there was no way he was ever going to be convicted.
     
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    have a watch of 'The Tiger King' series 2 on Netflix. Its a zoo alright.
     
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    Haven't followed the trial and only just loosely read up on it but that verdict seems batsh4t crazy to me. But then America lets you carry a gun with no questions asked, so anything goes doesn't it. Crazy that he killed two and has got away scott free.
     
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