Japan Covid cases

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  1. Gally

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    Very interesting what's happened to Covid in Japan since the Olympics. Cases have dropped to extremely low levels. They have a vaccination level just higher than our own. According to the below video, there could be a few factors at play. It seems like they started allowing the use of Ivermectin as treatment in August. Some scientists are saying the Delta variant replication protein has gone faulty so it has burnt itself out. There is also mention of a special enzyme that Japanese people have that helps them fight RNA viruses. Anyway whatever the reason, gives a little hope to us i think.

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    https://fullfact.org/health/japan-not-using-ivermectin-instead-vaccines-treat-covid-19/

    "At the time of writing, the question is still a subject of research. The World Health Organisation and the European Medicines Agency have said that ivermectin should not be used to prevent or treat Covid-19 except in the context of a clinical trial.

    Ivermectin does not appear on a list of approved treatments for Covid-19 from Japan’s Pharmaceuticals and Medical Devices Agency (PMDA).

    A spokesperson for PMDA told the fact checking organisation AFP: “Clinical trial of Ivermectin is reportedly on-going. However, Ivermectin is not approved for use to treat disease caused by SARS-CoV-2 infection (COVID-19).”
     
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    Interesting. Really expected that guy to do his homework a bit better than that :) The drop in cases is still remarkable.
     
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    Genuine question. Not approving it, and saying it shouldn’t be used outside of a clinical trial, is different to stopping doctors prescribing it? Or not?

    Wouldn’t surprise me if some of the Invermectin trials end up showing positive results, even if super small.
     
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    I don't know; I also don't know the extent of the clinical trial situation Japan, it may well be huge... large enough to affect the data.

    As Gally said, it's weird that Campbell missed that ivermectin is only available in trials, so maybe he has information that shows that the trial is large enough for him to consider it as "treatment"?
     
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    Quite possibly. And if that recommendation means it can still be prescribed and it’s known that it is, maybe it is playing a role.

    Although I’m seriously speculating here. Could be that it isn’t used at all.
     
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    Even if Ivermectin is a useful 'treatment', it's illogical to me that a treatment could result in less cases.

    I'm not a medical expert - so I'm open to an explanation.
     
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    I only found Dr John Campbell through this forum :)

    I audibly groaned when he started with the look at this amazing coincidence - totally lame - I could drive several tracky buses through that thinking.

    Re: ivermectin - this bmj article just shows how difficult this is - lots of research going on - just not very good research. It really needs high quality, multiple trials to be analysed together before it can really be assessed.

    https://ebm.bmj.com/content/early/2021/05/26/bmjebm-2021-111678

    Think the hypothesis is that it can be given prophylactically to contacts to prevent infections. This approach is taken, for example, in bacterial meningitis - antibiotics are given to all the close contacts to both prevent further spread and to eliminate the bacteria from the unknown person who had been carrying it without ill effect.
     
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    It's far more likely to be due to societal conditions such as previous recent history of dealing with airborne viruses, attitudes towards social distancing and proper use of masks than it is ivermectin, which apparently isn't being used outside of trials anyway.
     
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    The Japanese are super clean and wear masks as a matter of course in confined public spaces and they respect and expect personal space. I suspect the answer is as boring as that.
     
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    Not sure. Isnt the thinking it has anti-viral properties and reduces viral load
     
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    I've no idea - but I believed the 'anti viral' properties were an assumption based on it being anti parasitic? A bit like using head lice lotion to cure flu?

    On second thoughts, if you go round the world stinking of headlice lotion, you're far less likely to get close enough to anyone to catch Covid, maybe that's the trick.
     
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    I'd say it was a bit of a stretch to describe medication allowable for testing, but not yet approved overall, as prescribable.

    That would imply any doctor/chemist can prescribe it as they see fit, rather than as part of a clinical trial, which requires much more control criteria. It would be open to misinterpretation.

    That would be my view, anyway.
     
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    They've had a spike in the number of vaccinated people as well since the Olympics.

    In June, when we had a 66% vaccine rate, Japan was around 25% of the population vaccinated. At the August date you mention, only half of their population had been given 1 dose of the Vaccine, it's now almost 80%.
     

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