John Fleck

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  1. dreamboy3000

    dreamboy3000 Well-Known Member

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    Glad he's OK after what was the latest in a growing line of incidents on a Football pitch.

    Why do we think that over the past year or so more Football players than ever seem to be collapsing on the pitch? Something for clubs to look in to that shouldn't just put the rising numbers down to a coincidence.
     
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    Now that a clear medical link has been found between the MRNA covid vaccines and damage to the heart it is not surprising that football players and other professional sports people are collapsing and in some instances dying.

    Recent tweets by former footballers like Trevor Sinclair and Carl Ikeme suggests that the football community may be waking up to this threat.
     
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    I think I'll put my faith in medical professionals rather than Trevor Sinclair or Carl Ikeme.
     
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    Yes me too. I'm referring to a peer reviewed study published in 'Circulation' the world's leading medical journal on cardiovascular related conditions. The abstract of the study states....

    "We conclude that the mRNA vaccines dramatically increase inflammation on the endothelium and T cell infiltration of cardiac muscle and may account for the observations of increased thrombosis, cardiomyopathy, and other vascular events following vaccination."

    I'm not a medical doctor myself but I suspect that could be why my girlfirend's parents have both died of unexpected heart attacks in their 50's in the past few weeks. That is purely speculation on my part.
     
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    That's all I needed to know. Thanks.
     
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    At least you've provided a source backing what you've said rather than the "do your research" mantra, so thank you for that. However, there seems to be an expression of concern regarding this study.

    https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/reader/10.1161/CIR.0000000000001051
     
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    Pretty distasteful to speculate so wildly with no corroborating information.
     
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    Good. You're presumably capable of reading and assessing the report then. I will look forward to hearing your professional debunking of it.

    Perhaps you could replicate the study and present your own findings.
     
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    Charlie Wyke has collapsed in training as well.

    I’m not sure of his Covid vaccine status…
     
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    I'm good thanks. I might read a paper on quantum mechanics instead and make my findings known given it is so easy, never realised. We should just abolish universities whilst we're at it.
     
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    Glad it's bollax I was shitting myself.
     
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    Here’s another study.

    Heart inflammation is a "very rare" side-effect of the Covid vaccines made by Pfizer and Moderna, according to regulators in Europe.

    The European Medicines Agency said the side-effects were more common in younger men.

    The EMA analysis of cases found:

    Pfizer-BioNTech - 145 cases of myocarditis and 138 cases of pericarditis out of 177m doses given

    Moderna - 19 case of myocarditis and 19 cases of pericarditis out of 20 million doses given

    Five people died. The review said they were all either elderly or had other health conditions.

    Five deaths from 321 cases, and c200million doses. This was from months ago too.

    I’m not convinced of the significance. Though it does say more prevalent in younger men.

    However, you keep challenging medical professionals to prove you wrong. I’m sure they’ve plenty of spare time to afford you to do just that. It’s not like those working in medicine have seen real life situations and not just a scandal mongering paper in a journal.
     
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    There's no control group for a start. It looks to be impossible to work out the methods the author used.
    Its hard to trust an author that sells supplements claiming to reduce inflammation caused by lectin plant proteins when there's no peer-reviewed proof they do so, only his book. A bit of a conflict of interest there.
     
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    The author is a doctor turned pseudoscience snake oil peddler https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Gundry

    You'd think you'd choose your sources more carefully since Q told you that Trump was going to swoop in on a shiny white horse and arrest Biden and you embarrassed yourself as a result...
     
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    What about the medical professionals who have warned us about this but been blanked out by sky ..oops I mean lies news?
     
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    Seems you might need a decent amount of experience though to understand what good papers look like and the concept of "peer reviewed", having seen other people's replies.

    Quality.
     

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