Can we have an honest discussion about Woodrow?

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  1. Dja

    Django Well-Known Member

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    I think his interviews appalling. Captain of the club & before today he’s barely challenged for a header all season. Take some responsibility, hold your hands up & tell the truth. Just admit you’ve not been anywhere near your best. There’s no shame in it. It happens. If he came out & said ‘it’s been tough, I’ve not been at my best, there’s been a lot of upheaval at the club & we’ve struggled to get any rhythm with all the changes’ I don’t think anyone would criticise him but to suggest that people who’ve criticised him are fickle is pathetic.

    He needs to stop playing safe, start battling for headers, stick his arse out & shield the ball & make them sprints into the box hoping to get on the end of something. He was better at it today but it’s the first time he’s battled with defenders all season, he needs to do that consistently. There’s a lot more to playing as a centre forward than dropping deep & playing easy balls out wide. The last thing Morris, Styles or whoever it is attacking need from Woodrow is him dropping deep alongside him. They want an option from him in the box. We know he can do it which is what makes it frustrating, people don’t get annoyed the same at Adeboyejo for example because he can’t do it as he isn’t good enough.
     
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  2. Red

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    I don't think we're any more or less fickle than any other clubs fans.

    I didn't listen to the interview and I won't be, as I can't be arsed, but if the captain of the team is calling the people who pay his wages fickle, then I think that says more about his mindset than the fans.
     
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    As someone who once wrote to a Fanzine who’s principal character was called Albert Fairweather we are never to agree.

    Given the mindless abuse Cauley and the team have done well not to respond with anything other than this incredibly mild criticism
     
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  4. Red

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    To be fair, we agree on a hell of a lot, unfortunately not Woodrow! :D
     
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    Nowt to do with an excellent manager, some great players or a unique set of rules that benefited our play much more than other clubs then? Nah it's just that fans are evil
     
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    The fans are no use to the team when they are being antagonistic to the players. Look how the vast majority of this team thrived during lockdown. An unlikely relegation escape and play off finish without having to listen to our bile.
     
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    Why shouldn't he stick up for himself. All he was doing eas explaining things from his viewpoint, like people were moaning about him taking corners and he was saying why that happened.
    If fans dish out abuse ( and I can see why when people spend a karge amount on going to the football) then they can't whinge when someone answers it imo. And he is right, those same fans on his back now will be basking in the glory if we start winning again. That's what fickle means.

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    Interesting if you look at Sunderland. Fans there got blamed for pressure on the players etc yet lockdown didn't have them performing any better. Fans aren't to blame.

    For me, we benefitted from lock down because
    1) we stayed fitter, being younger lads without the distraction of a young family
    2) we could hear instructions clearly on the pitch, it was like a U23s match to all intents and purposes.
    3) Val and a very clear way of setting up
    4) and his battle plan made the most of being allowed 5 subs.
     
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    Two points from your comment, no one has called the fans evil , fickle yes but evil definitely not evil & last seasons set of rules were the same for every team , they were not an advantage to us , what was an advantage was we ended up with a manager who new how to use his substitutes in a way that brought maximum benefit to the team, but that opportunity was there for every club in the league to use.
     
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    When it comes to mental attitude, the only person that should influence anyone is the person him/herself. Developing skills and knowledge can only come from experience, working with coaches (both team and personal) and playing alongside more experienced players.
    However the driving force behind developing oneself is commitment and hard work and not giving a sh*t about what other people think. It is why the 'greats' in professional sport are a breed apart from the rest. Federer, Hamilton, Billie Jean King, Ronaldo, Gary Player (he of the quote in response to being asked does he feel he is lucky said" the more I practise the luckier I get" ) are examples of that drive and commitment that keep/kept them at the top of their game for so long.
    So in that respect , CW is right to ignore criticism from 'fans' -paying or otherwise.
    Nevertheless, he has to ask himself is he really driven enough to pull himself back up to the level he was playing at when he arrived at Oakwell. Remember, this is not a short term loss of form or 'blip' since it has been pretty much the same for almost two seasons. Therefore one has to ask, has he got the drive determination and self belief (seen by some as 'arrogance' needed to be 'top of the pile) to do just that. Whether or not you can argue he is worth his place in the starting eleven he certainly cannot justify his position as team captain regardless of whether there is another player capable of replacing him in that role. On current showing the evidence, IMHO suggests he is not.
     
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    First of all he can have his opinion, we all have one so why can’t he voice his views?

    Secondly the impact of supporters at football matches is significant. Home side typically enjoy, on average, a 0.4 point advantage with crowds present. This fell, on average to around 0.2 points during COVID, without crowds.

    I’ve never tried doing my job with thousands of people behind me baying for me to be subbed but I’m pretty sure it would impact my performance.
     
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    Same. Can't be at5ed listening to it.. I think Woodrow as every right to speak out. But is this a parting shot for a January move..
    If it isn't it or't to be.. best for all parties.
     
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    I called this months ago mate and was shot down big time ,I've found on here that if you played well for a few season it stands you in good stead for the rest of your time at the club.......I'd personally give him a few games rest and see what he offers after that .
     
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    He’s Captain of the team telling fans they are fickle and don’t know what they are talking about because they haven’t been professional footballers , I notice he didn’t elaborate on what exactly he’s bringing to the team at the moment because it’s not leadership or goals . Fickle footballers are happy to take the plaudits when they are on form looking to sign a new contract but don’t like it when they get some criticism for the way they are playing. It goes both ways except he’s being paid a lot more money to do his job . It’s not going to help him or the team winding fans up . Why is he taking corners by the way ?
     
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    To show some involvement at least lol
     
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    Wow! So many issues.

    1. Woodrow. I think he’s the best player at the Club. But sometimes you just have to move on . I think his time is over here. He needs to show a bit more personal ambition. Get to a better Club with better prospects, more ambition and better players. That’s anyone in the Championship, and the top half of a League one!

    2. Fickle fans? Well we’ve always been a bit of a moaning lot at home games (for decades). But, there’s usually some reasonable reason behind it. What gets my goat, at games, is where you get one player singled out. That does no one any favours. Incidentally, 20 people on this site having a pop at Woodrow does not constitute fickle. It’s 20 people ffs and it is a social media platform. No big deal.

    3. Fickle fans 2. Where I think there is some justification in this claim is in relation to the long term health and future of the Club. It must surely be obvious that we have a bunch of Charlatans in charge and yet there is little chance of BFC fans actually doing anything about it, as we are slowly driven into the ground. A mixture of apathy and ‘cap doffers’ ( those who won’t speak out against the hierarchy- no matter how appalling they are). That’s fickle and there are plenty of examples of fans at other Clubs who wouldn’t sit idly by as their Club moves from one farce to another.

    There, I feel better now, so I’m just going to PVA the wall before plastering.
     
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    I'd guess he's following instructions, the same as when he's playing deeper than everyone wants.
     
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    Yes then when the boo boys have driven him out they will be happy & will be able to replace him with the free scoring Vic whose goals will propel us to safety , everything sorted !
     
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    Are you wearing the PVC gimp suit to save you from splashing PVA on yourself?
     
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