The man slowed down BFC plan

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  1. Marc

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    How do you build a sustainable football club though with that approach? Constantly starting again. It’s worse than that though, as we’re bound to eventually drop on duffers. Whether that’s playing or coaching staff. Right now we seem to have both. We’re not moving forward under this model. There doesn’t appear to be any continuity whatsoever, beyond the back room staff and half time draw sellers.
     
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    I just don’t buy into this myth that last season’s games were unattractive. In the main, we were really good. The “terrible” games were few and far between, and we even won some of those.

    We’ve given that up for “more attractive football” supposedly. I haven’t felt entertained once this season. It’s the worst I’ve seen in 40 years watching. It’s just mind numbingly boring with no actual sense of purpose.
     
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    You match his ambition. Getting Barnsley to the top flight would be a better feather in his cap than reaching the play offs with WBA. Other clubs keep hold of managers, look at Coventry for eg.
     
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    I did state "some"....we footballed a couple of teams, notably Bournemouth away. There were others.....as i was watching our games i noticed with the exception of a few...they tried to go toe to toe with us on the direct front but continued to slag us off. Most actually played more long balls than us!
     
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    If you are actully a fan and not working for Conway then why don't you just go and watch the under 23s then, seriously.. ?
    If your happy watching professional football where the sole purpose is to develop young players to the detriment of everything else... Including team performance, results, league position.. even league status, then that's up to you.. I for my hard earned.. want a little bit more. Shame on me hey..
    Our current philosophy is all about developing the indervidual, any indervidual to the sell on, to then start again and do it all again.. Now I'm not against bringing young talent through.. but not all at once ..It's just that we have almost an entire squad full of young hopefuls..
    If we just want to be a training school for young players then fine... But get Conway and his board to fund it, not the Barnsley public. Under the pretence of a championship/L1 football team

    If you're actully working for Conway here, you'll never convince me to .. go fund.. Conway's, no risk.. involvement in English football
     
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    Agree with that up to a certain extent but we should be aiming higher than selling to Stoke City as an upward move .
    We should be beyond that at this stage in the ownership , Brentford improved their purchases in line with their selling and that’s supposedly how our owners are telling us they roll but up to now it’s sell at any price and still buy low .
    Brentford sold Watkins and bought Toney , we not getting anywhere near ready replacements .
     
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    Don`t disagree Marl.
     
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    Exactly this. Our fans would have been raucous cheering Dike chase down defenders. I think Barnsley fans love hard working teams and players more than technical ones, it sort of links us back to our roots as a town.
     
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    Thats a myth and one that nobody can claim with any confidence. Lots of ifs, buts and maybes in there. We backed him enough to convince him to join.
     
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    How often are we going to say this? He operated his style regardless of the players at the club - hence the exact same style being replicated at WBA. It worked wonders for us, but it wasn’t some genius move based on who we had. That’s just how he sees winning football being played.
     
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    Can`t understand how many folk still have a go at the bloke who gave us one of our best seasons from a poor starting point. Can understand the type of football was not we are used to i.e winning, but christ do we have to forever try to rewrite history and mek out it were sh it.

    He came in did a job his way and got us in to the play offs and I for one enjoyed the ride.
     
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  12. Red

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    I'm not familiar enough with Val pre-BFC to comment on that. I don't think anyone on here is, in all honesty.

    I know what I saw last season though, he took a group of average players, gave them a system that suited them and they got to the playoff semis. That's genius in my eyes.
     
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    Wouldn’t argue against his achievements and how amazing it was. I would say it’s a massive leap to say he created his vertical football, which he was known for prior and has kept at WBA, just because of the players available.

    There’s a pedestal, and then there’s what some people put him on. Arguably deserved though.
     
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    Can’t claim it with any confidence but the actions of Hecky, Stendall (allegedly ,Struber,and then Val suggests to me that’s what’s happening .
     
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    Three of the four you mentioned took on far bigger jobs than the one at Oakwell. Signing a player or two wouldn’t have made them turn down the jobs and salaries they were offered. We’d be naive as a fan base to think otherwise.
     
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    Loving the backtracking with the thread title.
     
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    And you can’t say that with any certainty also just as much as my post you highlighted .
    It seems a coincidence that out of all the teams doing well ours leave after one season of doing well on four occasions . Could it be the lure of a top job? Or the lack of cooperation Stendall didn’t have the lure of a top job but yet allegedly tried to engineer a get out ,if so Why?
     
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  18. Red

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    I never said he created that style of vertical football?
     
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    Given the option of BFC, even if we'd stumped up investment beyond anything ever done in our history, and a West Brom with parachute payments, quality players hugely bigger infrastructure and fan base than us......Ismael was never going to stay here.
     
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  20. Red

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    Yeah, I just noticed that too. Pisses me off that, at least have the decency to say you were wrong instead of steath-editing the title.
     
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