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Fair enough, I respect that you have a different opinion Archey. Although you haven't really answered my question about risk. You don't think the risk is any higher? And that there's zero benefit to having previously avoided relegation from the same league against many of the same teams?

 

I think there's an element of risk with any managerial appointment. But I think you can appoint the right man for the job, whether they've been part of a championship relegation battle before or not. It's obviously difficult to say for certain, as I'm not clued up on managers from across Europe, but we appointed Struber in a similar situation to the one we're in now, and whilst circumstances might have helped us this season, there's no guarantee we'd have had the same outcome with Neil Warnock for example.

 

Let’s say someone is looking for a top brain surgeon. I apply. I’m a billionaire so I can sort everything out. I’m not a brain surgeon though and the first patient dies. Give me another go. Patient dies. Look I’m a billionaire don’t worry! Next patient dies. And so, it goes on.

Because I’m not a brain surgeon. Or a billionaire come to that.

 

Getting relegated will cost the club about £6 million a year. It doesn’t make financial sense to anyone.

 

Bobby Hassell is the Academy Director not the director of football

 

Apologies, I’ve just created a thread very similar to this. Agree with the point regarding warnock but I don’t think Poya is a terrible appointment at all. However, the timing of his appointment was awful. We needed a temporary fix until the end of the season and then fetch Poya in in the summer and let him get his teeth into things.

 

I don't think he would have done had it not been for the break in fixtures at the start of the Covid crisis.

That does not undermine what Struber achieved. I don't particularly like the man, but I will always praise him for the way he turned that season around. But he needed that break in order to work with the players and change our style of play. The transformation was... well it was amazing. But I don't believe what happened is a good example of a foreign coach being able to come in mid-season and immediately get to grips with the Championship. Struber is a very good coach, but I think the way that season panned out is an excellent example of just how difficult it is for a manager unfamiliar with this division to influence the fortunes of a team in the short amount of time they would usually get to save a club from relegation.

Struber proved himself that season which led to him securing a very high profile job, but I thought he also proved that if you're going to employ a coach unfamiliar with the league you're playing in, you've got to give them time. Time is something we just don't have this season.

 

The circumstances definitely assisted Struber, there's no denying that. I just don't think it's as black and white as 'we stand a better chance of getting out of this mess with an experienced British coach'.

Tony Pulis failed miserably at Hillsborough last season, whereas Darren Moore would have kept them in the division had he been appointed when Monk left, in my opinion. You can't get much more experienced than that.

For me it's about appointing the right man, regardless of their background and experience. I'm not saying Asbaghi is that man, but I don't think someone like Neil Warnock or Mick McCarthy would have been either.

 

He came to college when GG was CEO and in interview said his role was Director of football. That's what I based my statement on. His role and title have changed and diminished over the past few years.

 

Yes but Darren Moore is British. He's played and managed before in the EFL and knows what our game is about.
The likes of Schopp and Asbaghi don't.
If we were going for a young and upcoming coach I'd rather us have gone with Michael Flynn.

 

No probs, I wasn't aware of that

 

I keep hearing interviews from the players in which they say they believe they will escape, based on what happened in 2020. I don't know if this is over confidence, denial, massive self belief, as results and performances are reported to be poor at the moment.
It would be a tremendous achievement if they did but I'm just not seeing and feeling it.

 

Stendel had the best squad in L1 that season.. he finished second.. I think a management team of Beth and Whitey could have taken us up. Stendel then got found wanting after a great start Vs Fulham and was sacked

Struber kept us by vertue of Wigan's point deduction.. And in the season that followed failed to win one game if my memory serves..untill he went to America..

There is only Val who as done well here, he did above and beyond really..

 

My point wasn't about Darren Moore, it was about Tony Pulis, and to a degree, Gary Monk before him.

I'd have had Michael Flynn too. I'm not saying I wouldn't have a British manager with experience at this level, I'm just saying it's not essential if you appoint the right man. Would you have appointed Michael Flynn over Valerien Ismael?

 

All 3 had a level of success though, you can't deny that. I think you've been a bit harsh on Stendel. Personally I don't think we'd have gone straight back up with Paul Heckinbottom still in charge for example, but we'll never know.

My point is, experience at this level isn't the be all and end all. As you say, Big Val proved that.

I'm not defending the appointment of Schopp, it was a poor decision. The jury is still out on Asbaghi too.

 

Only 'cos points were taken off Wigan.

 

No, I wouldn't have appointed Flynn over Ismael at that time. Circumstances were different as he was still in a job at Newport.
The fact that he was now available at no cost compensation wise and that Schopp had been such a spectacular flop, made him a decent option to me.
A change of direction seemed worth the risk.

 

I agree, I don't think it's so black and white. I do believe, however, that having no experience of the division does put you, initially at least, and maybe longer term in respect to sourcing the right players, at some degree of disadvantage. How much that is and how you'd quantify that, I don't know.

 

I think they are trying to convince themselves now - not anyone else.

 

Dee dars had 3 managers last season and players weren't paid their wages and a 9 point deduction.
I wouldn't say any of the managers failed miserably. Darren Moore has yet to get them in the play off spots too.