Get Boosted Now & ignore the last week.

You are interpreting the data to suit. I've picked YOU up on it.

 

Seems fair to me. Purposely giving the public scary models that are always wrong has been a regular occurance throughout the pandemic. We are spoilt for choice with the things SAGE and others have been wrong on.

 

Boris Johnson on Friday

 

You

It isn't interesting at all, I haven't claimed the opposite. You avoided answering by flipping the question. A very weak response and fairly typical. You - and some others on here - constantly make a big thing about some patients being in hospital with COVID rather than because of COVID, as if they are all completely unaffected by it. You don't know that and I don't know that. It will be an issue for some and for others it won't. I imagine having COVID-19 can complicate the treatment they are having and in some cases will lead to worse outcomes for them.

 

You can't get much weaker than flipping a question instead of answering it. Feeble. I've told you what I think. I haven't been aggressive and I haven't "shut everything down" whatever that means.

 

I speak to people how they have spoken to me. There's been many a time when you've pounced on things I've said with an unnecessary tone or condescending manner, so don't play the angel.

 

On a small point of order here.

The scientists and those urging caution have been criticised in this and numerous other threads for having got their 'predictions' wrong. I have always assumed that their reasonable worse-case scenarios are merely modelling of what may happen should we do nothing. As we largely have taken measures in regard to each impending threat then it is not surprising that the worst-case scenarios do not - thank God - materialise. To my mind that does not mean that the scientists were wrong but that they were right to warn us.

Meanwhile, it is looking like it is only a matter of time before further restrictions are announced. Were Johnson's political capital at a higher water level then I think we would have seen this before Christmas. As it is, I think things will be delayed until the day after Boxing Day. With both main parties agreed (the Tory rebels are still in a minority - even in their own party) I'm happy to accept that the interests of public health protection trump being able to go to the pub. Far better to over-react than under-react, so far as I can see. And there seems plenty of anecdotal evidence that the wider public are cautious.

 

Were these demonstrators wearing masks or trying to socially distance? I know that happened in the protests you mentioned. I

 

That’s because you’re only thinking about COVID in isolation, and you aren’t personally impacted by the known harms of lockdown.

Please - just do me one favour. Spend ten minutes researching how much child abuse has increased during lockdown. That’s just one of the many known harms. Then let’s see if you really think the approach you’re advocating is a ‘cautious’ one.

 

I'll give you the masks but they definitely weren't social distancing.
Here's one from the BLM protest.

 

Jimmy ‘ad hominem’ Viz

 

You're right of course that more can happen behind closed doors However, how is that child going to get seen if all the hospitals are over run? I really really don't want another lockdown, no one I know does but if it's necessary it's necessary.

 

Much of the work that prevents or organises an early intervention in these things happens in schools.

It doesn’t happen when the school is closed down.

There is no scenario in which children won’t be seen by hospitals, but in any case that’s not the issue here; by the time a child presents to hospital the damage is already done.

 

it just seems a bit ironic that they're protesting about COVID restrictions yet gathering in large numbers which could lead to a spread thereby making restrictions more likely.

 

Tbf schools were open to children deemed at risk, schools for SEN pupils stayed open too. Phone calls should have been made to support families too. I know staff took FSM in person to households too.

 

Quite so. Any abuse is tragic, but this is a deflection from the debate over necessary lockdowns.