WRDC - rumour is it may be in real danger of folding

What if they're blended instead?

 

Don't know what they would do with our crew . Thay are just letting us die naturally we must have signed a DNR

 

I don't want Derby to fold.
I don't want a club to be rewarded for the scale of the financial overspending/cheating they've been doing for years.

I believe Swindon were relegated more than one division in the past. I think Derby fans might have to swallow that - which is better than no club.

 

Agree, Wigan's punishment seems very little given that they look to have spent there way out of league 1 as things stand. Don't understand how they can afford Shinnies wages!

 

Derby in real danger of completely folding,

Middlesbrough chasing them for 45 million apparently also Wycombe wanting their cut as well

I understand other teams anger against them but surely real football fans wouldn’t like to see another club go to the wall the same as Bury etc

 

What I heard was the issue is the potential buyers won’t complete until the legal actions by Middlesbrough and Wycombe are complete and the EFL won’t intervene to help resolve(not sure what they could do TBF).
This has left them at a stalemate

 

Genuinely can’t see how they can justify £45m when there claim is by cheating they stopped Middlesbrough getting into play offs. Wycombe would seem a little more clear cut, I heard they wanted the £6m difference between the leagues.

 

Taken of the derby forum page interesting read

Listen up people..this is fact, Ive just had an email from a very reliable source...please read this is NO wind up.



Ok… here goes… the first part you’ll know and probably have read but the other comes from the Admin who spoke to my friend directly this morning. This is my written explanation of what he told me so my words not his…



So it seems that the administrators went to the meeting with the EFL yesterday with the expectation that they would leave the meeting being able to name the PB. To do this the EFL stated that DCFC had to fulfil their obligation to show proof of funds and see out the season. Q said we’ll do this via loans until the point at which we name the PB, after which they will put £X of million into the club to see it through to the end of the season – sound plan and one that gives everyone hope / optimism / security. The EFL then said ‘what about the Middlesbrough and Wycombe claims?’ Q answered that ‘legally’ that has no authority and even if it did then they were very confident that they would win the case based on the reality that it has no factual merit and their advice, plus they have followed instruction and rules. The EFL then took the stance that ‘well until this is resolved you cannot name the PB’ which may well be in breach of their own rule book and is certainly a subjective take on how to apply things. Essentially; they are able do what they want and definitely interpret things under the banner of doing so on behalf of their members (excluding Derby obvs). This has caused the latest stand-off and today’s repercussions re. Jagielka.



What the Admin / my pal’s take is, is that there is a definite agenda here to punish Derby as heavily as possible. The fact that they have earned the points they have and have bread hope, has in turn led to the feeling that the punishment is not strong enough and that this could set a dangerous precedent for other clubs to break the rules (should Derby achieve the impossible). Clubs are obviously bitter about that and in some ways, I think that’s fair enough and we’d likely feel the same. The issue now quickly shifts towards the fact that the EFL are using these claims as a delaying tactic to push Derby into more uncertainty and force them to either sell players very cheaply (which devalues the club) or persuade the new PB to pay off Middlesbrough and Wycombe (despite the fact there is little legal standing to their claims and the fact the EFL are largely responsible for the delayed timing of the second). My take on that is that whilst morally these clubs, others in the league and the EFL have reason to be pissed off with Derby – it’s a very legally problematic, ambiguous and negatively motivated way of enforcing them – it’s not based on the law nor is it objective / balanced. I’m sure that if there were more time available then Admin would fight it and win but that doesn’t appear to be an option given certain deadlines that are needed to be met.



What he also said was that the Admin have firm proof that the EFL are directly leaking stories to the press – in particular John Percy and specifically via Trevor Birch – for their own agenda.



Where this leaves things is anyone’s guess. There’s definitely a feel within the club that the players, staff and admin are all pulling for the same thing (as are the fans) but the EFL are hell bent on crushing them. Had we earned no points and been adrift then I’m sure none of this would have happened as relegation would have been the punishment, they felt appropriate. The key to unlocking the situation seems to be resolving the the claims by M and W. The fact that they are allowed to get away with this and have the backing of the EFL stinks to poo imo and may well be illegal, even if there is some moral merit surely this sets a crazy precedent for every other similar situation in future?

 

From what I can gather most of their fans think they are hard done by and are also being mistreated by the EFL . F**K Them.

 

Yeah unscrupulous owners

Can’t see anything like that happening to us

 

Should at least relegate them from the league.
Until a club is punished properly others will be tempted to take the risk, I mean 12 points etc is obviously seen as worth the risk by the cheats
Make the risk err not worth the risk.

 

From the quote of how the EFL are dealing with Derby and making it up as they go along it sounds like Michael Masi has already found new employment.

I know its a bit down on here of late but that is intended as humorous!

 

nothing like unscrupulous owners. And none of them were complaining for the last 10 years spending cash they didn’t have.

 

I disagree that the EFL are targeting Derby County. The EFL have lost patience with the Administrator, it's ridiculous how long this has gone on for. The EFL asked if DC had money to run as a business till the end of the season. Again prevarication and smokescreen from the Administrator. If there are people who wish to purchase the club then sell but they come up with new objections. We the tax payers will lose out on unpaid tax.
The problem is not the EFL,not DCFC but the Administrator.
Well, my observation anyway.

 

A club with the rich history of Derby going out of business coupled with the impact of Covid should be the kick up the arse that football needs.

I wouldn’t wish it on any club but at some point something drastic needs to happen

 

It happened to Bury & that should have served as a warning but alas for Bury they were further down the food chain than Derby & somehow I think Derby will be rescued .

 

I think they will be rescued too.

 

If they fold they only have themselves to blame. Additionally, I don't believe any significant change will happen as a result.

For reference, these are the operating loses of a newly formed club in Glasgow that folded approximately 10 years ago:

2020-21 -£23.5m
2019-20 -£15.9m
2018-19 -£11.64m
2017-18 -£13.2m
2016-17 -£6.3m
2015-16 -£2.5m
2014-15 -£9.9m
2013-14 -£8.3m
2012-13 -£14.4m
TOTAL -£105.64m

 

If there were no relegation places we'd still be going down - that's how shi.te we are!