BFCST Update; owners, players and supporters

Maybe in best Frankenstein traditions everybody should meet at the bus station and wind their way up with flaming torches!

 

@Jay the supporters and owners are not aligned. The notion that they will only sell for a profit is also, as you say, flawed. If you hold an asset but it is costing you money every year, it would be sensible to sell that asset at a loss rather than increase your losses.

Their model is based on player trading for success, not necessarily building a team for success.

 

It's not costing them money every year. They're not putting into it.

 

To add to my previous post, you have fundamentally misunderstood their model, much more so than the 'Conway Out' lot.

The player trading is not to make a profit. It is to ensure they never have to fund the club from their own finances. It is to keep the club self-financing until, in their belief, the market in Europe aligns itself with the US. That is when the profit can be made. The flaw in the model is that they believe every player purchase has to have the possibility of profit in order to keep the club ticking over. Every player we sign has to have a resale value. And they believed they could do this using a statistical approach and compete at Championship level. You can't. And what they failed to take into account is that players like Sollbauer, with no resale value, can make players like Andersen and Helik worth a lot more by guiding them through games.

 

there goal using player trading is to run the club and also pay down there debt on purchasing the club ,ending in what would be there perfect optimum scenario
to own the club for nothing.
that is there goal ,end game whatever you want to call it.

Jays version is Conways version from his interviews
The US system is franchise based and cannot ever be compared or will never align in way to what happens over here.

in there system there can be no Barnsley FC.
in fact most if not all of the teams below the premier league would cease to exist.
only so many teams are allowed ,which is why they are so valuable the franchises/teams
There would be sheffield team and they would have territorial rights over the area !!
Sure they would love that


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But it has resulted in £4m losses to 30 May 2020. it clearly is not self sustaining or working. If their model does not deliver value they are a failing business.

 

Which is exactly what I have said, their model is flawed, it requires a rethink.

 

There system cannot employ any long term strategy because the fans will eventually turn on them
and they need fans.

As far as statistical data, metrics systems
i have seen no evidence that they work at all, at any club/team ever
teams have been employing them for forever now and the teams are exactly were they were before whether that be league or financial positions

 

So how are fans and owners aligned when the owners’ approach is, as you say, flawed?

If i’m as mad as the ‘Conway out’ lot as you previously stated just explain that to me.

 

Read my post again. I didn't say fans and owners are aligned. I said the goals were the same, but for different reasons. My argument is that the owners have to care what the fans want, otherwise their investment is worthless. If you disagree with that, if you believe they can ride roughshod over what the fans want, explain to me how that is going to work. Explain to me why they are engaging with fans, why the CEO gave an unedited 2 and half hour interview published on the BFC official website if they simply don't care. Why would they do that if they don't care what fans think? Why waste that time and put themselves through that uncomfortable experience? I've put my argument forward, put forward a counter. Tell me why they are engaging with Barnsley supporters but do not care in the slightest for their opinion.

 

PS I didn't say you were mad, I said you misunderstood their model. Try not to make false claims.

 

@Jay here’s my argument, there is an answer that is not as clear as you seem to believe. The club want to keep fans paying and rely on blind loyalty (better fans). They can pursue their player trading strategy and by saying the right things to fans, keeping the dialogue going they are ‘one of us’. The income from seasonal passes is beneficial to their business model and if fans keep believing that a Q&A session shows they care then they’ll do one.

Spectemur Agendo seems so very apt at the moment.

 

@Loko the Tyke you do a great job on all levels. The pathetic situation at the club is not your fault. The interview with Sibila illustrated that he is clueless. I would not let him mind the cavapoo I walk whilst I went for a piss in my local's urinals. He did not even know when his boss's covid isolation was over. The CEO is a yes man. The board & the treatment of some of our players like Toby Sibbick is beyond belief.The club is a total disgrace, depressing to say we have a board, CEO & management team that are worse than those in in Iley era IMO. Not my club. So tearful to say this. It is not a flounce over poor results. Anyone with eyes, ears & a brain in their heads can see the situation. The players don't want to play for these muppets.

 

I don't disagree with any of that. And it's not too dissimilar to what I'm arguing. I'm not claiming the owners are engaging with fans because they care about our emotional well being and the community of Barnsley. I'm arguing that keeping the fans engaged is the only way they can come out of this with a profit. And although that isn't particularly palatable, it does mean that both sides have the same goal.

'Conway out' will do nothing because it's moronic. 'We want you to walk away after investing millions of pounds'. 'Just leave'. Of course they won't. It's stupid, led by a Facebook group who can't even spell correctly going up against a consortium of businessmen and women who could, if they so wished, destroy these people's lives with court cases that could wipe them out.

I haven't bought a season ticket. I'm not giving them money and shouting nonsense. I'm just not giving them money. It's coming around and other people will stop giving them money. But the people who shout nonsense will continue to give them money. The nonsense shouters will continue to fund them while having zero impact against them.

To make a profit the owners need me and people like me to pay back in again. For us to do that then the owners need to pay their own debts, adjust their model, and field a team to win a football game.

People can go to The Chronicle and shout their stupid mouth off and make things worse. The alternative is to try to understand the situation, not hit it like a bull in a china shop, and keep saying what's wrong, keep saying it, it took me months before anyone else acknowledged it, and it eventually builds, and the owners will address it, because if they don't, their investment has gone.

 

I think we are in agreement, I’ve posted many times that the only way these people will leave is for money.

The question becomes is that profit, or minimising their losses.

 

I have a season ticket for sale. Interested?

Going really ******* cheap.

 

You seem extremely confident what their motives and intentions are. What have you seen to make you so confident that your view is correct?