Tories are heartless ****ards again

The Tory apologists on here, never far away

 

I've got to say, if it wasn't for the NHS, my wife wouldn't be here.

If that's not fit for purpose, I'm not sure what is.

 

Its amazing isn't it.

I don't know how they think like that.

 

Same here Danny the NHS saved my wife twice in fact.

 

Wonder how much of the extra £350M per week is being used for the NHS
Tory ********.

 

Incredibly, they are claiming all of it! I mean, brass neck or what?!?!

 

I have always thought that Bus was painted Red to make out it was a Labour incentive to leave the E.U. to get Labour voters on board

 

They may well have spent (and wasted millions btw contracts to pals) on covid protection immunizations etc. And include that in their figures. But for the general running of the nhs which they claimed is fiction.

 

I've a feeling May cynically uplifted NHS spending (that wasn't enough and was already pledged) and cited it was as a result of Brexit (though I don't think it amounted to the £350m claim). And obviously all the deceitful sycophants have claimed they've fulfilled their pledge ever since.

 

There haven't been any cuts, we spend as much on healthcare as France and Germany now.
But they spend it on frontline medicine and we spend it on extra layers of management, diversity advisors and Net Zero strategists.
Hence we have worse cancer outcomes and higher infant mortality.

 

The same goes for our daughter.

 

factually incorrect on almost every level. Congratulations.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopula...espendingcomparewithothercountries/2019-08-29

 

So…
The problem with the NHS isn’t the ‘NHS’ it’s years of Tory ‘marketisation’ of public services.

Also, if you make £ for £ comparisons across countries, you’ll find that we win some and lose some, whilst critics often cherry pick to make the NHS look worse than it is.

And just like it was dumb to hope that Brexit might mean that the U.K. could move left of the EU. Anyone hoping for a collapse of the NHS isn’t going to find it replaced by something better or cheaper. There are members of our current cabinet who’ve been pushing for a US style system for years.

 

That's probably one of the most factually incorrect posts ever on here.

Keep licking those boots.

 

In fairness it was quite impressively incorrect.

 

Looking at the Fig 1 spend per per person and Fig 2 health spend as percentage of GDP in the report posted by Jimmy Viz I do have one or two questions.

Having had considerable experience of the service provided by the NHS for myself, wife and daughter over many years and more recently, for my wife and I, and the Service provided by the Italian Health Service, both excellent overall, but both with things requiring improvement, I find it hard to understand why Italy, with an ageing population placing greater strain on the Health system overall, provides, IMO, a better patient experience than the NHS when both figures above are lower in Italy.

Overall based on my daughter's experiences of the NHS in the past few years, whilst the care provided by the front line hospital staff is, in her opinion is as good as ever, regrettably the same cannot be said of the administrative, managerial and organisational elements she has encountered. There are to many examples to list but one where my daughter "missed" two critical hospital appointments with consultants during an ongoing medical issue she is having due to them failing to send her the appointment and claiming she had not turned up so would be moved back in the waiting list! She also, on a separate occasion received some personal documents intended for another patient yet addressed to her.

The biggest issue though with the NHS is that a number of GPs still do not provide face to face consultations, made even worse by some that do have receptionists whose sole purpose seems to be hell bent on stopping you actually seeing a doctor, even to the point of asking about symptoms, and without consulting the effectively carrying out triage themselves. The knock on effect is that A&E departmenst bear the brunt. I know many GPS ARE working as normal but friends tell me it is difficult to get appointments and spend hours first thing in a morning on hold trying to get appointments only to be told there are none available that day - try again tomorrow.

In contrast, thoughout the Pandemic GPs in Italy have remained open, no appointments, no long waiting times nor any apparent time limit on how long the consultation lasts . The same applies to surgery and screening programs where there have been no cut backs- Mammograms, Colon cancer , prostate cancer screening every two years available to the population FoC .Waiting times for relatively minor surgeries can be measured in several weeks rather than several months and possible more than a years in the UK.

The infrastructure is in dire need of expenditure (our main regional hospital is awaiting replacement as the main building is 100 years old) . Nevertheless most of the equipment is state-of-the.art and surgeons and doctors highly skilled. The other big problem is it is , like the UK, a postcode lottery (but for slightly different reasons), North and Central Italy are good, but the South is starved of funds and there is a problem with corruption, fraud and interference from the Mafia.

Interesting fact, there are far more nurses than doctors in the UK but vice versa in Italy. Based solely on personal experience,

Overall, I feel the Italian system has proven to be more cost effective and offers marginally better patient care than the NHS... On the face of it there seem to be more medical staff andf fewer levels of non surgical administrators which, given how Italy works in general, is quite a departure from the norm!

I say thank God for both the NHS and for the Servizio Sanitario Nazionale! working under extreme pressure from respective Governments.

 

See my previous post re ‘marketisation’.

In the late 80’s when I worked for the local council, we were forced to tender for local services to keep our jobs.

Heralded by the right as a way of ensuring value for money, watching the creation of whole departments to firstly partition off departments to contract out. Those same departments creating ‘contract delivery teams’ separate from the managers simply doing their jobs. Then contract management teams post delivery, it’s a bureaucratic nightmare.

IIRC the number of non medical jobs in the NHS has ballooned in the last 30 years, and I’d bet we could get rid of 90% simply by getting rid of the trust model, bringing everything back in house and concentrating on patients not targets.

 

Rumour has it that they are looking for ways to charge us for the air we breathe. I hate these ******** with a vengeance. And there was Johnson, leading the clapping for the NHS.

 

Parking charges at hospitals are f***ing obscene whether that be for employees, patients or visitors. You're either charging people who work there caring for the sick, or people who are ill and vulnerable, or people who are stressed out of their head because their loved ones are ill or dying. That this is a thing shames us all.

Clap the NHS. I hate this world.