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  1. Dan

    DannyWilsonLovechild Well-Known Member

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    Thomas has 12 months, Schmidt has 12 months and a 1 year option. I think most of us would like to be rid (though that then crystallises a massive loss) but I can't see anyone paying money for them.

    The likely out route is heavily subsidising another loan and waiting a year.
     
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    I think there's a massive chance we'd cash in on Styles and Helik for one for the coin and secondly they'll not want to linger in L1 as to enhance their international intensions.
     
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    Khaled has a hell of a job on his hands.

    Keeper - Sell Collins, keep Walton and Jinadu. Promote a third choice from the academy.
    Defence - Helik and Andersen likely to be sold, possibly Brittain. Will probably need to find an experienced CB, probably on loan, to play alongside Kitching, with Moon as backup. A decision will be needed on Halme, which will be tricky given his injury record and we'll need a left back. Not sure what the chances of signing Vita in League 1 are, or how close Winfield is to stepping up. Williams and Hondermarck would be decent options for right back
    Midfield - Need to get Wolfe signed up. Will probably have Kane and Benson as well, with Palmer going on a free. Ackroyd stepping up, and probably need a loan or two in again.
    Up front - Aim should be to keep one of Morris or Woodrow. Morris has another couple of years and sell on clauses might mean selling Woodrow does not make financial sense anyway. One of those, along with Iseka would do ok in League 1. Cole, Aitchison and Marsh completing the set, though I wouldn't be against Adeboyejo extending either.

    Then there's the question of what to do with the white elephant that is Oulare, which could undermine any plans, as well as players like Thomas and Schmidt, who I'm not sure even dropping down a level to League 1 will be much use to them,

    I think we'll be heavily reliant on the academy and the loan market next season
     
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  4. ley

    leythtyke Well-Known Member

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    I've been meaning to ask this for a while, but, what do you mean by "Crystalise a loss". I know we won't get back the fee we paid, but suspect you mean something a bit more than that?
     
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    x11barnsley Well-Known Member

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    I know we haven’t really sen much evidence of any quality but Kane and Benson should be a very good pairing in Div one.

    It’s likely that we’ll just release Kane
     
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  6. Dan

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    Essentially, when we pay a fee for a player, given our model of aiming to generate additional revenues, we're making an investment. The wages are a general cost, but the transfer fee is an investment, and our intent is to profit from that investment.

    If we fail to generate a fee for a player in excess of what we paid, we've wasted cash and failed on delivering a profit, hence crystallising a loss. The loss only crystallises at the time the transaction concludes, either a pay off or a contract lapsing.

    This ownerships whole business model (supposedly) is based on converting cash, into players back into cash, but at an increased level to then convert back into a player and so on. I suspect its likely what they are doing with football clubs to try and rise up the ladder.

    For every fee we pay that ends in loss, our other transactions have to work harder and generate more just to stand still.
     
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    Think we will see sold (subject to anything half decent offer wise coming in)

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    Helik
    Collins
    Woodrow
    Morris
    Potentially Brittain

    And will be left with:

    a very dodgy team
     
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    Woodrow will go in summer nailed on.
     
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    I just don't understand why people want us to resign Victor. A willing worker but just not a goal threat.
    He's struggled before to even make an impact at L2 level.
    There's better out there for sure, providing we lift the silly age limit for signings.
     
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    It's going to come down to how much we can afford and as unpalatable as it may sound, just who we can't get rid of.

    Next season we're going to have a tonne of forwards still on our books. I'd expect Morris and Woodrow to have willing suitors. Which would leave us with forward/wide players of Oduor, Cole, Leya Iseka, Schmidt, Marsh, Aitchison, Oulare and Thomas. Plus theres Bremang and Thompson depending on their contract situations, plus Victor and Miller who will be out of contract.

    If you look at that list, I'd probably pick a front 2 of Cole and Adeboyejo, though who knows what system and coach we'll have to adapt to.

    From a financial perspective, sadly, I'd let Victor go. We just can't afford to keep a dozen forwards.
     
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    If we end up with a front 2 of Cole and Victor then we'll start 23/24 in L2.
     
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    Would you prefer Leya Iseka and Schmidt?
     
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    I'd prefer Leya Iseka alongside a target man, preferably someone with a bit of experience/nous.
    He can definitely finish if we play to his strengths.
     
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    Because I don't think we can afford better.
    Not sure what contracts Bremang and Thompson are on. Wouldn't be surprised to see them released / moved on in the summer.

    For Odour, Schmidt and Thomas, it might become easier to move them on, given it's the last year of their contract and they'll have had the last chunk of their signing on fees. Though it may be in January, like with Ben Williams and Frieser.

    Oulare is the real problem imo.
     
  15. Dan

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    He may come off, he may not fancy league 1, he may head back to the continent if he hasn't settled. But the fundamental issue is that we have so many players that we can't get rid of that we're going to have to play some of them. And the ones we are able to get rid of are the ones we'd rather not, though we may find them unaffordable given our likely destination.

    I very much hope we don't spend a penny of transfer fees next season. We just can't afford to be splashing money about, unless someone capitalises the club, but I don't see that happening either.
     
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    The club Oulare is loaned to claimed they had him for 18 months, though nothing has been confirmed or denied this side from what I can see.

    Unless our next coach thigs he can get a tune out of them, I suspect we'd have to loan them out again to try and offset wages. I just can't see why they'd forego wages given they face a big drop i the football pyramid, nor can I see any club parting money for them.
     
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    I'd read that it was a 6 month loan, with a 6 month option followed by a further 6 month option. Unless his fitness improves dramatically, he'll be back in the summer.

    I suspect that Odour, Schmidt and Thomas' wages will drop on relegation, making a move for them more feasible.
     
  19. Dan

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    Their salaries may well drop, but who is going to pay anywhere near it still? Even with any subsidy they are still on a decent chunk of pennies and league 2 clubs or nominal clubs in Europe are going to struggle to match it. If they can't match it, why should the player move given they know they have a significant pay cut pending?

    As for Oulare, we'll have to see. I suspect he'll be out on loan all next season.
     
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