I know it's only the development league but..

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  1. MDG

    MDG Well-Known Member

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    Our stats look equally as bad in the U23's as our current first team.

    Joint lowest scorers and one of the highest for conceded, reflected by the current position.

    I know it's only the development league and the importance of the term 'development', but personally don't think we are seeing anywhere near the numbers we should be challenging for 1st team selection, especially given the standing of the 1st team.

    Pains me to ask the question with the academy being headed up by legends like Bobby and Disco, but is the setup underperforming and needs new focus as well as the 1st team coaching staff?
     
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    Sounds like they'll fit into the first team seamlessly.
     
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    Or does that provide a cost cutting CEO with perfect evidence to justify his actions?
     
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    They long way off first team think lot of 18s play in under 23
     
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    Loko the Tyke Administrator Staff Member Admin

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    Our plan at that level is to blood more of the U23's in to first team training and more of the U18's in to the development squad. Someone posted it on here, but we're essentially fielding a much younger team vs. others (sounds familiar) but believe that will better their development further down the line.

    I think having Wolfe, Ackroyd, Wingfield, Moon and Marsh knocking on the door of the first team picture is one positive from a pretty depressing season.
     
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    Our developmental team being really poor gets overlooked because it's run by legends. It's crazy when people want guys involved in the academy promoted to the first team. I can only assume it's because of what they did a generation ago as a player for us.
     
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    It is a huge issue, as this is an integral part of The Plan.

    We are supposed to develop players here for the First Team and hopefully unearth gems to sell on to keep the club ticking over.
     
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    To be fair… our first team is most teams u23 development squad..
     
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    Think disco has been involved in the first team aquad so no great surprise that the results have dipped. We were doing OK before Covid weren't we?
     
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    There is no positive associated with Moon’s involvement with the first team this season.
     
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    We play the same tactics in the under 23s as we do the first team so create very few chances because of our 5 at the back formation. Every goalkick sees 2 or 3 defenders stood next to the keeper, they get it and pass sideways to the wing backs and we slowly build.

    It doesn't work at first team level, it's hardly surprising that kids struggle to do it
     
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    Does the 12 players out on loan affect the u23s. Genuine question.
     
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    Didn't he get one, maybe even two MOTM awards?

    I think he'll be better for the experience this season, especially given how steep the drop in quality is to League One. But you're right that he shouldn't have featured as often as he did.
     
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    The goal kick tactic is used by so many teams these days, for justifiable reasons, and works/doesn't work like most tactics in football. Our use of it is basically not as good as other teams.

    The U23s' performance is more due to those players being a couple of years behind who they're up against.
     
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    There is a massive gap there if we are filling the U23's with 18 year olds IMO. Yes OK, blood 2 or 3 in there but surely that squad should be the 'pick me' I'm worthy of a 1st team pick instead of someone not on form.

    If we have that team full of basically not much older than school leavers, they are never going to be up to the physical demands of the football league and championship.

    Loko mentioned a few names, really only Moon and Wolfe has made any sort of breakthrough I'd say with Moon being shown to be not ready. Wolfe defo has some potential to be an outstanding player though.

    I'd argue that getting beat every week does little for a young players development especially in the mental stakes and think the model needs changing.

    Have we ever generated an attacking midfielder or striker from our setup? I wouldn't count Victor as a massive endorsement of our system.
     
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    A lot of excitement around Marsh and Jola at the moment. But then you go back through the last couple of decades and there's been excitement for other attacking players only for it to lead to absolutely nothing.

    I'm not saying this 'strategy' is the right one, but when looking at results there is a reason for it as explained. Haven't we seen this in other years too? One year of struggle but then some positive results the year or two after?

    I think Wingfield's injury put paid to him featuring this season which is a shame. The development of Ackroyd is one to watch as well. That jump in to the Starting XI is a much easier one at League One level and you'd never really want more than 1/2 a year coming through as it allows you to focus on those that can handle it and use them sparingly - unlike the use of Moon this season, but a lot like the use of Wolfe.
     
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    The other week we played Swansea. Our lineup was as follows

    Jinadu: 19
    Hassan-Smith:19
    Hodgson: 19
    Lancaster: 19
    Benson: 18
    Ariely: 19
    Nejman: 18
    Helliwell: 20
    Hartley: 17
    Bremang: 21
    Trialist: unknown
    Average age: 19


    Subs:
    Marsh: 18
    Sherlock: 19

    Swansea played
    1 trialist
    2 X 17
    5 X 19
    2 X 20
    1 X 21
    Average age: 19

    Subs used:
    1 X 17
    1 X 19


    Are we actually playing players significantly younger than our opposition or is it a myth? In this game it's almost identical
     
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    Marsh and Jalo are normally guaranteed starters. Isn't Jalo 16 or something crazy like that?

    I'm only going off a thread/report that was shared on here highlighting this.
     
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    I think he might even be 15 or if he's 16 it's only just or something like that. I chose the Swansea match because it's the first I e that came to my head due to it being on the main pitch so there's a chance it was out of the ordinary for it to be an older squad.

    What frustrates me a little is we do have older players at the club but for one reason or another we refuse to use them in any squad at all
     
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    Jalo used to have a little now he's got a lot. He's just Jalo from round the block.
     
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