The scale of the mess

Yeah my mistake, was sure we signed him under DS but I got that mistaken. I would like to see him back for sure, and I think that him, Hondermark and Wolfe would be a decent middle 3. However I think he is likely to want to stay at Oxford, and given the dire financial straits the club is in- getting half a mill plus clauses for him would be considered a 'good' outcome

 

Got some ability but poor work rate and too lightweight in any position.
Think we'll struggle to offload him though.

 

Exactly, the thing is that we wouldn't need to sell so many of our decent players if it weren't for the oxygen theifs in pool 2). Difference being these clowns had only been in charge 6 months then, and not laden the club with 5 years worth of their incompetence.

 

Herbie Kane is absolutely babber. Some serious poor memories as to the cackness of his performances for us.

 

100% like so many in the team of the last 12 months another lightweight who lacks the work rate to be good wing backs, the technical ability to be tricky wingers and not strong/composed enough to be useful up front. See also Cole, Freiser (now gone of course) Leya Iseka, Vita, Bassi, Domingos (not our players but still cost us money).

 

I don't recall there being particularly high hopes for Mowatt back then. Same applies for Pinnock as well. But Moore and Bradshaw were proven at that level, so we knew we'd get goals.

No idea who'll be scoring our goals next season, we can't score any now.

 

There seems to be a trend on this board for writing off players at a young age, without any thought that they might actually improve. Remember Andersen a couple of years ago for example. Would be interesting to see what people thought of Matty Pearson when he was here, he's now playing in a play off team.

 

Could be Aitchson, but as others have said he might prefer to stay at FGR. Our short sighted owners will probably get a 100k for him.

 

Good point, but this is what happens when you sign a 20 year old with a dozen professional games under his belt to do a 26 year olds job. Benson has also suffered from this- but if they don't perform on the pitch and show little in training what's a head coach (with no influence over transfers, hired 'only' to get results) to do?

 

I doubt it. If Oxford want him to have another promotion push that's money in the coffers for us.

 

Well yeah, but if Oxford want him (which they will) we'll happily sell him for a few quid.

We'll never see Kane back at oakwell, unless it's in an Oxford shirt.

 

Not a right lot. But it seems odd when I see some comments on here, the blanket "not good enough for the Championship" really grates with me. We have some players that are good enough to play certain roles, i.e Benson might be a decent enough back up, or alongside a more experienced midfielder. He's not going to come in and run the show from the off, which we seemed to ask him to. So, criticise the club, not the individual, because they could easily find themselves doing well elsewhere, and again showing the problems with our way of working.

The matchday thread had pelters being thrown at Kitching on Friday night. Despite the fact that his CB partner could be credited with an assist for Hudds first goal. I think in general, we write players off far too quickly.

 

I totally get that a lot of signings turn out to not be good enough but we should find this out by playing them over a period of time like we did with Chaplin and Freiser for example then at least we stand a chance of recouping some of our losses.
This season we loan out Kane and Wolfe to sign Benson (at probably a substantial cost including wages )who then gets binned for Wolfe who turns out to be decent when given a regular run of games.
For me we need a smaller squad supplemented with quality loans and frees with the best academy players as back up.

 

Absolutely spot on. Granted Kane might not have been best suited to Val’s manic up and at em style of football but he has played in 35 games averaging over 80 mins per game and providing 6 assists at Oxford. I for one will be delighted to see him back at Oakwell but I fear we will not be seeing him play again for the reds. I just hope that if he does leave we get a decent fee with a firm sell on clause for him.

 

I agree we do write players off quickly, it's interesting that some like Pearson and Kane have shown they can do in better sides. Let's say both Benson and Kitchen are actually decent players- well next year the former will have to run our middle alongside another very inexperienced but promising player (Wolfe). Kitchen will either have to be a left back, or possibly a left sided CB alongside Moon. Both will have to play in teams without any experienced heads or recognised goal scorers, almost certainly under a head coach that speaks very poor English.

The fault is the system, but attempts to hold that system to account on here or in reality is often more trouble than it's worth. So people vent on the players themselves.

 

Agree entirely, but given the amount of rebuilding to get to that point we are realistically looking at 2-3 windows. Even if there is a coherence in chosen footballing style, coaching staff, CEO (unlikely imo) over that time we could still be in L2 by the time it's done.

 

Ivan Toney is a good example, as soon as he got regular games his confidence grew and hasn't looked back yet he couldn't get in our team for Fletcher who was playing and scoring until he gets his move and gets parked on the bench only to watch Toneys career flourish.

 

Seems like a quite a few reds fans, supporters, attendees, customers or whatever you want to call em, time served I would say are now being called fickle.
Give yer head a shake fella.
The rest of it I agree with, shame you had to spoil it sniping at others.

 

I think people have written Schmidt off too early. He'll come good in League 1.

 

Yep, but instead of taking anything away from that- Conway just plugs Toneys physical particulars into the 'spreadsheet' and signs us Devante Cole. It's beyond a joke really.