I wonder why Hull, Middlesbrough and others turned PMG down .

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  1. Mr Badger

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    Can anyone remember?
     
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    No & to be honest I did see a comment about Hull when the news about them being linked with us but I did not know anything about Middlesboro , I am surprised because I have not read anything about Steve Gibson wanting to sell , he seems like a sound solid owner who loves his club & runs them very well .
     
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    Gibson turned them down after an uninitiated offer of £50m for 50%, it wasn’t so much he turned ‘them’ down more he wasn’t interested in selling at all.
    Hull no real details out there except they couldn’t agree a deal.
     
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    I really like Steve Gibson, but not sure he’s run Boro as well as you might think. He’s got a famous reputation, at least in years gone by, for giving his managers time to turn things around rather than hiring and firing though.

    Middlesbrough have lost, over the years, £233 million and the vast majority of those losses have been covered by Steve Gibson, either through buying shares in the club or lending money.

    If you take a look at the accounts, it says, 'yes, we owe Steve Gibson somewhere in the region of £120 million', but he has indicated that he is not going to ask for it back. He has been a supporter of the club in more ways than one.
     
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    I suppose you could say if he is willing to cover the loses then he is running them well, just not in a profitable way. It does underline how difficult it is to be competitive when other clubs are willing to lose so much money.
     
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    We need an Abramovich.
     
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    Not sure I agree with that. Given the ever changing global climate these days he could suddenly find himself under a lot of financial pressure and leave them struggling.

    The more and more we apologise for clubs that take handouts or run at a significant loss, the less chance we have of ever getting any kind of level playing field.
     
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    I thought it was the other way around in that they turned the clubs down after seeing how heavily in debt they all were.
     
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    The trouble is, he can't do it forever. Both Wigan and Bolton were bankrolled by wealthy fans as well, but the problems came when somebody had to takeover.
     
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    That's an ideal and life never mind football isn't like that. You've heard the phrase "tough 5hit". That's the way it is here. Instead of being a beacon for how a club "should be run". It's time we had some owners that weren't bothered about losses.

    That's the only good that I can think will come of the current situation. PMG NCC will sell to billionaires that spend money.
     
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    And that's how you end up with a Wigan, Bolton, Portsmouth, etc.
     
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    They're all thriving now though. You could argue in a better position than ourselves.
     
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    Pompey and Bolton aren't thriving.......
     
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    Are they looking at balancing the books to the tune of £8 million and potentially playing the kids next season and appointing their under 23 manager as head coach?
     
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    That's irrelevant to your comment claiming they're thriving football clubs.
     
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    The local take on it was that Gibson had lost interest in the club for a time and was concentrating his money on developing Rockcliffe Hall the golf and hotel resort he owns but the deal with PMG wasn’t enough and he changed his mind
     
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    But we're also a club that is in trouble, after an owner that used his own money to plug gaps sold the club.
     
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    Indeed.
     
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    The way I read it was PMG offered Gibson 50 million for 51 % and he wasn't prepared to give them the extra 1%,he also confirmed he had seen proof of funds for them to do the deal.
     
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    I don't think clubs should be allowed to rake up massive debts myself. However I also don't think financial fair play works. If someone owns a club and they want to put the money in they find a way to do it anyway. Except to get around the fair play thing they start selling the ground to themselves ect.
    If I owned a pub would I not be allowed to run it at a loss if I wanted to?
     
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