This seasons relegation happened for 2 reasons

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  1. Marlon

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    I’d say there were 4 or 5 reasons almost every Saturday and a few midweek games throughout the season that were a massive factor.
     
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    I’m fairly confident that almost every issue at the football club goes back to Paul Conway, either as acting CEO or as the figurehead for the ownership group.

    Happy to be proven wrong, but even if it was only eight of the ten reasons I’d bet that they’re the eight most damaging. It’s easy to point the finger when the evidence is so strong.
     
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    Would you be happy to see him go and the rest of the owners remain?
     
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  4. Loko the Tyke

    Loko the Tyke Administrator Staff Member Admin

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    I think there’s enough evidence to suggest that if he was in a permanent role underneath someone, rather than being a Director and Chairman, that he would have had to speak to supporters and explain the disaster of the Summer. He’s almost untouchable where he is as an outsider looking in, but something that takes him away from the day to day operations of the football club would be beneficial for Barnsley FC and that’s all I really care about.

    I don’t fall out with the model and some of the previous strategy decisions as much as others. I do fall out with the calamity of the CEO situation and the recruitment of playing staff and coaching staff. Without either of these being as disastrous as they were we wouldn’t be getting relegated and we wouldn’t be scrutinising the accounts as much as we are - given it was a challenging time for all football clubs during the pandemic.
     
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  5. Jimmy viz

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    Evidence is strong that the club is being systematically mismanaged at each and every level. For example ‘Match Day experience’ has worsened considerably and that can’t be just the fault of Conway.

    Conway is a symptom not the disease.
     
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  6. Loko the Tyke

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    Why did Dane Murphy leave and why didn’t we have an adequate replacement lined up for when he did go? Considering we knew about it way before the Summer started. This also lead to the club secretary departing and making the job in the Summer almost impossible for those working behind the scenes.

    Why did we waste 50% of our wages budget on two players Paul Conway had a hunch on, ignoring the recruitment model and method of previous seasons that’s seen relative success?

    Why didn’t we touch any of the issues on the West Stand until the season was starting?

    Why did we explore ground sharing and drive a wedge between fans and the club?

    There’s probably more to add, but Paul Conway has directly impacted and being responsible for every single one of those. I’m leaving off the £750k as that might end up being unsavoury but legitimate - although his refusal to give an explanation on it is more evidence of alienating supporters from the football club.
     
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  7. Jimmy viz

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    Nice deflection. In what way does that discuss the worsening match day experience? The decay of the ground. The closure and poor publicity around it of the West Stand. The loss of key staff members some of whom left for less prestiges jobs. The appointment of a CEO with more gaffs than giff gaff? The divorce between fans and club. The public spat with the Council. The court case between owners with the 80% failing to make payment as agreed. The ground share fiasco. All the owners are responsible for that.

    Conway is not sole owner. He doesn’t get to make or indeed not make decisions without consultation with the other owners. Completely disingenuous to claim otherwise.

    The previous transfer window without Conway wasn’t an amazing success.
     
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    There wasn’t any deflection at all - good effort though. I admitted in a previous post you might find ten reasons and eight of them would be down to Paul Conway.

    I’d still respectfully insist that leaving the current CEO to pick up the absolute shambles of a club he was left with post Summer contributes in some way to what was realistically achievable. Not going to deny mistakes haven’t been made, but when you’re fire fighting issue after issue, poor performance after poor performance, and picking up the pieces of what you’ve been left with, I’m sure it’s difficult to land anything of note.

    With a more stable club to run who knows what things might have improved this season?

    As for the ownership challenges. Paul Conway is the figurehead for that ownership group, rightly or wrongly and whether he likes it or not. If there’s a dispute and outstanding debts not being paid, he’s part responsible if not bearing the majority of responsibility.

    When you’re actively asking to ground share with other clubs, does that give you as a supporter any confidence that the same person wants to improve the decaying ground?
     
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    It worries me that you represent fans at any level.

    Paul Conway is not the sole owner. He will not make decisions without approval and consultation with the other owners.

    Anyway as usual this will just end up in an argument with you saying how great everything is at Oakwell except Conway so I’m bowing out.
     
    Jimmy viz, May 2, 2022
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    I have to question you Jimmy also.

    Why do you mention people leaving as a bad thing? They are part of the problem too. I think you reference a Physio in the post above.

    He knew the problems the club had in the summer and yet didn't look to stretch himself for the club he's meant to be a fan of. He will know what the Fitness coach would cover and not once did he think. Have they been sorted yet?

    I do agree with you that it isn't all Paul Conway's fault. Loko Tyke mentions the transfers but I can't remember anyone complaining about them at the time apart from me with Cole.
     
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  11. Loko the Tyke

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    If you believe this then I'd be more worried about your interpretation of the situation than me representing fans at any level. Also massively disingenuous to suggest I'm saying everything is brilliant except Paul Conway - couldn't be further from the truth given the posts that are visible on here. It doesn't have to end in an argument, but taking pot shots at people in every discussion will cause that.

    Enjoy your day.
     
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    Conway was disaster as stand in CEO same as PMG are n new city capital way the killing our club. On to Khaled even tho he spoke to fans have little faith in him too when one is first statements he made saying last season was disaster dye to no player trading done. Then another statement just recent saying owners don't need to talk to fans as the don't at man city yet let's look at difference city top.premier league one foot in champions league final. Ho ever we finished rock bottom championship with one club above is 21points deduction n another 6 points deducted above us.
     
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    Some of those issues were down to Murphy though, unless he wasn't allowed 99.9% control like our present CEO is?
     
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    He probably did, got frustrsted at the lack of action, decided life is too short and took what in effect was a demotion in order to avoid running through treacle!
     
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    If Conway worked under someone else he would have been sacked by now.
     
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    Which ones?
     
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    Any business losing so many key staff in one summer would look at itself very critically.
     
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    The West stand for a start. He had all of the covid period to make sure it was up to scratch, the scoreboard was working etc etc.
     
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    I agree with this. Conway has a large part to play in the fiasco of our club but he isn't the only one. We have a board and he along with others must be accountable to the board. By definition the board is more accountable as Conway is as an individual. This means multiple people. Also the staff of the club have to also face the music. There can't only be Conway to blame, although he is in my opinion a key stakeholder. We have a safety officer right? So the ground access, west stand etc plus the safety certificate and associated assessments should have been the responsibility of the safety team and not wait for the council to question points. We implemented a ticketing system that didn't work and 10 months later seems renewal of ST is also less than organised. Is this Conway. The game day experience isn't good, in fact its very poor. I don't believe that Conway will have decided to instruct people to deliver a bad game day experience.The board must have approved the financing models, loan from EFL and the rumoured extraction of 750K.

    However Conway has been instrumental in recruitment and management choices that have been exceptionally bad. He also has been poor at connecting with fans (although arguably it isn't his role). He has a lot to answer for and we should look at the board in general as to where the buck stops.
     
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    I just watched last season's highlights and Herbie kane wasn't that bad
     
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