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They can’t make a profit because they blow money on coaches and crap players . They have wasted millions of the clubs money not their money ! The plan does not work !

 

It’s never really worked! Scatter gun approach . The list of failures out ways the successes by a long way
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relegations as well don’t forget

 

The thing is, apart from the very controversial extraction of £750k, they don't really take money out of the club do they?
I make no secret of my desire to see them gone but there has been money in the club and they haven't taken it out for themselves as far as I'm aware.

 

OK people it's time for us all to step back from slagging each other off(people that know my stance of not s penny more to these owners since September 2019)these owners are laughing at us and it's about time we turned the table's, Not so long ago a group of supporter's where and still are castigated on this forum for voicing their opinions about the owners of our club,Now we are arguing among ourselves about what the football trust are doing Conway and Co must love our little old Barnsley mentality.

 

Because he was sold around the time of John Stones I assume it’s a similar clause? Just a guess though.

 

it’s difficult to see, but aren’t some owners “loaning” money to clubs and paying themselves back at a decent interest rate out of club revenue?

 

I think The Plan does work. As a club we have to go shopping in Aldi, rather than Waitrose. But if you do your homework, then there's plenty ot decent produce available in Aldi - and at good prices.

The trouble is, over the last 12 months, we've just ploughed down the middle aisle in Aldi, lobbing anything and everything in our trolley. And most of it has been bilge.

 

As a club with a limited budget, the only way we compete at a higher level on a consistent/long term basis is by following a plan.

The problem comes then it is implemented badly or someone changes the plan in the recruitment of players/managers and the playing philosophy. In my opinion to make the plan work you need consistency somewhere in the setup, otherwise it's going to naturally change due to interpretation. Maybe a director of football could ensure the continuity or a CEO who stays for a number of years, with some planning to handover the reigns before they leave. The players can change but we need managers to stay around more than one season if they are successful.

 

I've said this since the day we changed from having a manager to a head coach.

A DOF is definitely needed, to have that link and experience in between the football side and the business side is essential in the way that we operate.

The problem we have is that non football people are trying to run a football club and failing. (Morning Mr Conway)

 

When the club release a statement, and this holds true if it's a month before we hear anything or if something had been released on the day we were relegated, it will be met with universal criticism and howls of derision. It doesn't matter what it says, that is what will happen. It could be the most articulate and forward thinking piece of writing in the history of the English language, but it will still be torn apart. There is nothing to be said that will be satisfactory to anyone in this situation. People don't want a statement, they want something to criticise.

 

I think the notion of "the plan" has become something of Barnsley FC folklore and an assumed concept, despite a lack of evidence.

A plan is a means to attain an objective. What is our actual specific objective? What are the objectives of the owners? Where is the evidence of consistent repeated actions that all go towards the benefit of the football club to be as competitive as possible and to show us improving year on year?

I don't see a plan. I see an overriding ethos that we try and generate perpetual alchemy. I also see an ethos where experience isn't valued and an expectation that whoever follows will be as good as the person they replace so ridiculous levels of attrition at every position other than owner is the norm.

The question has to be can this concept work? Can the attempt to buy players at a certain level from a standing start, "develop them", and repeatedly sell them for profit allow us to be consistently competing at a higher level than we may otherwise expect based on our historic budget levels. Personally, I don't think it can be, not without a war chest to start you off. The level of change is too great and the level of risk is huge and we're now at a point where we no longer have the strategic advantage of speed. One bad high level signing and you're back to square one. Make a few million, invest it again, and you need those signings not only to pay a return on their transfer fees, but also to be instantly effective on the pitch.

If we look at our supposedly self sustainable approach, we've lost £8m in 4 years of accounts and had 2 relegations in 5 years. We're on our 3rd CEO in 4.5 years. We're on our 11th head coach in 4.5 years (Heckingbottom, Harsley, Morais, Stendel, Murray, Struber, Ismael, Schopp, Laumann, Asbaghi, Devaney) and behind the scenes there are high levels of change in key positions.

And in all of this grand flawed experiment we've completely omitted the most obvious thing that a football club should have at its heart. Create the best team you're able to.

 

they took out 750 grand out of the club without any real credible explanation. They also have not paid for the club as yet.according to reports and the court case.

 

I don't see that as a plan. Just that we had a CEO who went against the ethos of the owners for a short period and doing what many a fan hoped for, bring experience to create a team. Any strategic direction has to come from our owners given the high fluidity of our personnel.

One swallow doesn't make a summer. As has been spectacular proven.

 

Here we go again.

Why cant you just debate the point? Your last sentence, yet again, turns it round to have a go at me. What's wrong with you? Why do you have to see everything as an opportunity to personally attack someone with a different point of view to you? It's not healthy.