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  1. Hig

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    At what stage do people look at the people milking the club every month. These people are the problem, not Conway Cryne KEA ........

    I don't think the club improves until they get rid of a lot of people at the club.

    Owners, Chairman, CEO, Directors changes.
    Things don't improve.

    get rid of 99% of those that have been at the club for 2 years or more and get at least half-competent people in and things to improve.
    ******* Rotherham take the piss out of us on things like this.
     
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    Every Saturday we're going to run out with what Elon Musk thinks was his funniest tweet of the week.
     
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    Loko the Tyke Administrator Staff Member Admin

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    Who are 'those' people? Departments, names, job roles?

    What is it you think they're letting the club down on, and what would you do to improve things?
     
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    I'm not naming people Loko the Tyke because last time I did that you said I was targeting an individual.
     
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    You COULD get rid of the people in the club shop, the people in the box office, the photographers, groundsmen, kit man, turnstile operators, the person who writes the match report, the HR department and the carpark attendants and advertise for new people on indeed but I guarantee that doing so wouldn't see us sign up a new sponsor any quicker or better.
    The problems at the club, and at most businesses, have been caused by a few people in key positions of power not by the front line staff.
     
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    @Loko the Tyke Tyke

    Below. 3 account snips. One was a champ club this year. one was a league one club this year and the other a league 2 club.

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    I’m going to guess you have Barnsley and Rotherham there. Rotherham commercial income is in respect of a season in the championship as it’s for the year to 2021, so not a league one club when comparing revenue. Overall turnover is actually very similar to BFC, £12.5m BFC, £12.1m RUFC.
     
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    Rotherham and Scunthorpe are the two clubs
     
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    Ahh yes I remember that one as well, the 88-89 season Lyons Cakes sponsored kit.
    Which I think is the only time we've ever gone all red at home (red shirts and shorts and socks), with extra white trim.
    Very Liverpool-esque that was. :)
     
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    Not sure what this is trying to prove but it's clear that no context has been taken into account and so these numbers presented on their own are meaningless.

    In relation to Scunthorpe two things leap out if you read look more completely into their accounts:-

    1) What they call 'commercial' income includes merchandising, whereas BFC include merchandising income of c. £700k separately on a line of it's own.

    2) The biggest single element of Scunthorpe's 'sponsorship' is their own owners paying their own club money from their own businesses in order to keep the club afloat! The big figure of £2.3m in 2019/20 includes c. £2m of 'naming rights' for Glanford Park which came from Sands Venue. Ongoing 'naming right' sums in 2020/21 and thereafter are around £200k a year. Sands Venue is owned by the Swann family, who own Scunthorpe United.

    Now it may be that Sands Venue Spa Resort in Blackpool is generating well over £3m in additional profits from additional bookings from the clientele of the former Glanford Park and it's surrounding area but somehow I doubt it!

    Prior to the naming rights sold by the owners to themselves Scunny's sponsorship figure was just under £300k pa. They look to have grown it to about £350k in 2020/21 which means their more like-for-like sponsorship, merchandising and commercial income is about a third the value of BFC's, once you exclude the amount the owner's companies are paying the club themselves.

    In relation to Rotherham there are areas, such as merchandising in 2020/21, that they do marginally better than us on, some marginally worse. However, the two main differences are that their sponsorship includes:-

    1) Substantial income from stadium naming rights, AEESEAL, I believe. BFC don't own the stadium and so are not able to obtain such income AFAIK (as opposed to individual stand naming) or have taken a decision not to have the ground named (rightly in my view - who on earth would want the 'Paul Conway Best Windows Ever Stadium' ?)

    2) Substantial income from the owner's own company. Rotherham have two 'Platinum Partner' sponsors and one of these is ASD Lighting. ASD Lighting is Rotherham owner Tony Stewart's own company.

    Whilst owners channelling the money which keeps their clubs afloat via sponsorship income from their own companies is more benevolent and less destabilising than loans it distorts comparisons with clubs, like Barnsley, where this hasn't happened.
     
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    ''The biggest single element of Scunthorpe's 'sponsorship' is their own owners paying their own club money from their own businesses in order to keep the club afloat''

    If Barnsley or any other football club had a problem with that they would report it.

    ''Rotherham have two 'Platinum Partner' sponsors and one of these is ASD Lighting''

    Same as above

    Barnsley would be able to sponsor the ground but back to the above.
     
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    Nobody was talking about anyone having a problem with it. I clearly said if you deigned to read it "owners channelling the money which keeps their clubs afloat via sponsorship income from their own companies is more benevolent and less destabilising than loans".

    What I was exposing was the obvious thrust of your argument that the staff of BFC are worse than those at Rotherham and Scunthorpe at attracting sponsorship. I have exposed it, our staff aren't worse, like-for-like they're better.

    Your argument was wrong, the comparison you made includes vast sums that the equivalent staff at other clubs don't have to do anything to obtain as it comes straight from their owners.
     
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    Look up the SCMP rules and you'll realise there is nothing to report. Again you are continuing with a vendetta against club staff and it's totally unfounded. You've added 1 and 1 together and got 5. You are lucky that you aren't banned from Oakwell after the previous issues. If this happens again, here, you will be permanently banned from the BBS.
     
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    Nobody was talking about anyone having a problem with it.
    You are saying they are inflated figures I think. From listening to the podcast, priceoffootball if the sponsorships above market value in the opinion of other teams they CAN challenge that. I think teams maybe have with Etihad for example.
     
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    ETHIAD? ITS DIFFERENT RULES IN LEAGUES 1 AND 2 - SEE SCMP
     
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    What he's saying is that you're comparing the marketing and commercial abilities of people at bfc with this of people at scunny and Rotherham but you aren't using comparable figures.

    The commercial manager at Rotherham for example hasn't attracted Tony stewarts company to sponsor Rotherham United. That was down to the owner choosing to do so. The commercial manager at scunny didn't attract the owner of scunny to put £3m into the club either.

    If you are to compare the job performance of employees at oakwell with that of employees at other clubs then you have to compare what they are able to influence. Look at and compare the sponsorship and commercial revenue from EXTERNAL sources only and you may have a point (or may not, I have no idea) but if you're including investment from owners in the figures then the figures mean nothing.
     
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    What I am saying is that you were using the raw figures on the face of accounts as an accessory to your argument which seems to be irrationally about attacking certain employees of BFC. I was putting context around the figures you used and showing that it wasn't a like-for-like comparison.
     
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    There is a new shirt sponsor, it will be announced imminently. People need to chill the **** out!
     
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    So many thoughtful posts in this thread absolutely wasted. Well done for trying.
     
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    Remember the sponsors Big Thing ?
    Who or what were they ?
     

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