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So they all follow the money and we're left with the situation where the poorer people can't afford to pay for legal representation in criminal cases and there's no legal aid lawyers. Only the well-heeled would be able to defend themselves in court. I hope for your sake you never need it....

 

It's not glib though pal, there isn't a person on here that doesn't believe that nurses, teachers, health workers, mental health workers etc are underpaid something chronic but successive governments have made it that way but these amazing people still jump into the jobs for what I believe are the right reasons. The fact of the matter is though that there are a growing number of alternative jobs on similar money that these lads and lasses can do if they want to jump ship

 

It doesn't matter what you do. If the pay is not attractive enough. Then we could end up in a worse position than we do now. Lack of drivers. Lack of nurses. Lack of baggage handlers. There's 100s of thousands of jobs out there that are not being filled. Ask yourself why.
A person in a house where there is more than 1 wage earner may decide to take a lesser paid job.
Those trying to keep a roof over their heads etc. May have no choice but to leave a job they are committed to.

 

Who will replace them? & who will replace those who jump ship as you say, & so on?

 

My point is that they are not obliged to stay in the job they have chosen originally for yours, mine or their benefit. Our governments over my lifetime have chosen to underpay these people and treat them professionally poorly. They are well within their rights to sack it and do something else as am I and as are you

 

You're missing the point.

 

Anyway, didn't a Tory minister come out with the same guff about 3/4 weeks ago?

 

Apologies if I am. These people have a personal worth that they owe to themselves

I don't know pal, I would take as much credence from a tory ministers shyt as I would from this passing motorbikes noise.

 

This is way off the mark, as you'd realise if you'd read up on it rather than just refusing to believe it. As many others have said the remuneration for junior criminal barristers is pitiful, especially given the importance of their role. Access to justice is a fundamental human right and gutting this aspect of the profession as the Tories have done over the last decade seriously undermines it for those who can't afford to throw money at a problem.

 

Barristers are not employed by anyone they are self employed. They operate out of a set of chambers where a percentage of their income goes towards paying for things. If you’re say a barrister whose chambers are in Leeds you’ll work on the north east circuit. This means that one day you could be working in Grimsby the next Newcastle. If you’re junior that might be just something simple where you get less than £100 for say 30 minutes work. A lot for so little work but factor in all the other costs and you’re basically put of pocket by £100. You can’t turn it down as you need to do this work to build up your experience and profile. Also factor in that the course to become a barrister is £20k on top of your university fees and the reason for them walking our becomes a bit clearer.

 

One of the best analogies I can give. Is probably in line with your nurse family.
I have had an above average at best standard of living, I could have earned 1000s more. But job satisfaction was my main focus above salary. When that job became unbearable due to changes in type of work allocated I cut my losses and quit. Some jobs are a vocation in life.(my wife was a nurse btw) And without some of those incredible people that do the things most of us wouldn't consider. We'd be worse off for it.
Being in the wrong job. Can cause mental issues like depression. Been there a couple of times

 

Stop quoting them then, owd warrior.

 

Exactly - this is a very niche area of law and in my experience people that practise criminal tend to do it for altruistic reasons - it’s a vocation and they’re striking for the right reasons.

they could earn tonnes more money in private practice in commercial etc.

 

What a very strange way of looking at it.

 

Yeah, almost like it is illogical to get fair pay for a needed job that you are doing.

 

I'm not sure what message Tilertoes is trying to convey. It seems to be almost a voluntary service that effectively polishes up your CV so you can go out and earn a proper wage int future. So would suit them that's got good backup eg parents with deep pockets or rich types.

 

I get the impression his stance is "put up or shut up". Not sure I agree with that.

 

Im not sure about you lot but im very worried about the near future.very soon it will be the very rich and the very poor and no in the middle. Alot of jobs are slowly turning robotic for less people. Example warehouses. Supermarkets.

Lots of strikes because of the pay. When employers get higher pay it means the companys up the prices.

Its not just the government who are scum. Its pure greed from the very top.it wont stop untill the people do something but us brits prefer to moan

 

The UK is just getting left behind due to bad governance. 37% of kids went to Uni last year, compare this to 67% in Ireland. In a globalised world it is too expensive to make things in western Europe so the jobs needed to drive an economy are educated jobs in the tertiary sector. Global companies will go to our much better educated and equipped neighbours.

The saving grace for England and Scotland is a lot of old money floating about driving the economy in more desirable areas. Places that aren't deemed desirable have fallen by the wayside as we fall further and further behind the EU.

 

This is mainly down to legal aid. Very worrying that sone defendants can't get hold of a legal aid barrister because gov pays so little in legal aid.