This is the problem with stats though. He didnt just score goals. He assisted, he linked play up, he made chances. Not to mention he wasn't always up top, always came deep for the ball, or out wide
I was there when he got ironic cheers leaving the pitch at blackpool and booes coming on the pitch at home. Woodrow has been poor for barnsley for the last 18months imo and like i said i think he will have been disappointed in his goal return. Victor was a low cost gamble and a squad player out of those 78 appearances many will have been sub appearances. Look at schmidt cost us over a million and someone quoted him been on 5k a week vic cost us nothing and probably on half that.
Don't get this vic v cauly malarkey. Both are strikers. Both failed miserably in the goalscoring stakes. Over the last 2 yrs. I'd have still kept Cauly. And tried him in a midfield attacking role. Type of redders role. Hoping he would regain his scoring abilities. The talk about him scoring penalties or direct free kicks being an asset is bol7ox. (How do we know others may not be just as capable) His scoring record from open play was abysmal over the last year or so. He's not an NFL kicker ffs. Put on solely to take free kicks. As for, we won't be able to replace him with someone as good. (in the scoring stakes), Who knows ? As for stats make of em what you will. Amount of minutes played over the last 2 seasons. For Cauley As Are near enough the same. 6k. As vic has played in his entire career. Cauley has scored 19 (dont know how many pens) Vic 12. We need Strikers who can score more than 1 every 500 minutes through open play. that's a fact.
Vic had quite a fan club with the young uns, always got a good reception coming on from where I was sat. Tb f I think he has had his chance personally I don't think he's at the level we need to be challenging top of league 1. But he's always given his all and that's all I ask of any Barnsley player.
Vic should have scored a lot more than he did, he had pace & would often come off the bench against tired slow defenders but he simply did not & when he started a game his contribution was even less, he failed out on loan with both Cambridge & Bristol Rovers & had opportunities such as Schmidt never had , he was a trier & very likeable & I feel everyone of us wish him well for the future but if we are to progress again then we need to have strikers who actually score goals , incidentally quoting how little Vic cost us well he cost 4 years wages for 7 goals , not the best return for our money.
Would you say Cauley has been value for money over the last 2 seasons. Read my previous post. And I'd guess 3 or 4 times Vics salary.
Fact is Cauley in both league 1 and championship has scored goals. Goals that got us promoted and that kept us up. Definitely a better than Vic. And he renewed his contact at a time he was doing well and could have asked to go elsewhere. One of the recent best players for Barnsley imo.
3 or 4 times the player. Integral part of Val’s team - almost invariably starting pick for the coach.
I'm talking about goalscoring contributions from open play. You count penalties if you want. I don't. Vic never took penalties. Who's to say he wouldn't have been as prolific. As for Cauley I've stated my position clear on his abilities. And would have kept him. Could he have come good again in the scoring stakes. More than likely. Would I have kept vic. Absolutely not.
The season before last yes definitely under Val , he was pivotal to the team the way Val played & he kept going right until the end at Swansea in the play offs resulting in a great goal which kept us in the tie right until the death but last season I thought both he and a lot more were poor , 30 goals as a team was awful but I thought our strike force as a whole had little or no support & no supply , players were played out of position & tactically we were awful , I also thought that both Woodrow & Morris suffering long term injuries did not help but to sum up I thought he was poor last season & I do not think that any of them apart from Collins were value for money but neither were the coaches who could not get a tune out of players who finished 5th the season before .
You brought stats into play. Re goals. I used minutes over the last 2 seasons. Very comparable I'd say. Both Sheite outputs. And I'd say Vic also did a job under val when required. We could go on all day arguing the toss on performances. Of which for the sake of repeating myself. I'm not questioning that Cauly is a far better player. And would have kept him. But the fact remains his goal output over the last 2 seasons from open play is not what I would class as better than Vics. I genuinly hope Cauly gets back to his best. I don't think Vic. Will reach bigger heights than league 1. But still wish him well. re goals It's my opinion. You have yours. I don't think we'll agree because we see it from different angles.
Its alot harder to score when your not getting a run of games and getting 5 minutes here and there. Val used to bring him on to wim headers and hold the ball up. Schmidt did get given opportunities but went missing in games his scoring record on loan in austrias rola cola league was 1 goal in 13 games wasnt it? and 1 million pounds and 5k a week one of the biggest waste of money ive seen at bfc probley beaten only by oulare.
I dont think anyone on this thread has said he isnt a better player than vic. I said vic was a scapegoat, the other poster said cauley was i simply pointed out questioning his contribution from open play over the past 2 seasons doesnt make him a scapegoat at all i think even he will be disappointed with that.
To be honest goal scoring stats do count for a striker & Vics return of only 7 goals in 4 seasons is extremely poor & we certainly disagree about Woodrow in the play off season, Val knew what an important player he was & in my opinion he was excellent but as you say we have different opinions & there is nothing wrong with that
Jjn He scored the winner at Millwall & home to Forest which were huge goals in the run in, I'm amazed you cannot remember them but hey ho he has gone & hopefully soon will Vic
I can remeber i can remeber his other games roo sometimes i would forget he was on the pitch untill his name came up and he was subbed. Couldnt win headers, couldnt link up with others,zero pace. Wasnt a scapegoat though.
Just watch ....both will hit the ground running and start scoring for fun with their new clubs....lol
