Souness - men's game.

He didn't say a thing wrong. Too many took what he was saying wrongly and was too thin skinned about it including our local lass.

 

I get the impression that a lot of the English online media are trying to generate an "us vs them" situation both on the field and off it with the male and female pundits experts and ex-players

 

Only wrong for me in the same way that telling people to “man up” is wrong.
Putting perceived attributes of aggression or strength out there for males to live up to is part of the problem in my view.
If you want to see a physical, aggressive match then say so. That’s a fair point if you like that sort of thing. You can watch that kind of game in the women’s game too.

 

The Lionesses are hard as nails. They also played with real aggression too. Loved every minute of it.

 

People being too picky for me, he was commentating on a man’s game, so a ‘man’s game’ was fair comment, ‘man up’ is a term that’s been used for like forever when addressing blokes that weren’t pulling their weight physically etc .
What’s wrong with using it ? Would they maybe say Man up and then add a disclaimer like of course I wouldn’t use that term when watching a womens game?
It will be getting that pundits will be scared to say owt soon!

 

Aye and the b'stard compounded it by scoring the equaliser just before half time. I hated him with a passion...

 

What a complete waste of time this is, as Im sure Souness din't mean it to sound like it did.
But as some fans have said, its a case of people in the media always picking and looking for arguments, when there aren't any!.

 

When I heard he was in trouble for saying what he said.
I wanted to get as far away as I can from this country and all the ******** .
Woke or just looking to have a gripe.

 

Nothing in it for me, but people nowadays will take things out of context immediately. And if the guy who has used the 'poor choice of words' is an old, white guy then even better! If you look at it in context, he has reacted in real time (always difficult to do I'm sure, to carefully choose every single word and phrase on live tv) and said 'it's a man's game all of a sudden' in reaction to things getting physical in a man's game, played by men, in an era when said-men are often infantalised as 'boys' and as Souness pointed out are well versed in the art of simulation and acting like children. It's the same context as when someone on the BBS talks of a young player coming through and saying they are in the 'mester's league' now. I hadn't seen the context until this thread, but i knew there had been a backlash and i find it ridiculous. I'm not surprised, it's indicative of the modern world, but it's still ridiculous. In context, it is fine.

 

If anything, she could have taken a minute, humbled herself, and actually used it as an example of how refreshing the women's game is. She could have pointed out what happens when two middle-aged men have too much testosterone flying about and act like kids, but she didn't.

 

100% they would ( imo)

 

Storm in a tea cup escalated to clickbait.
It undermines the impact when something that actually needs challenging happens.

 

Just think that in an era when men are struggling with mental health as is regularly evidenced on this board, we should be stopping identifying “holding in feelings” and “sucking up” the situations men find themselves in as a trial of their masculinity.

 

My take is that regardless of what he said and/or whether it was offensive or anything like that, the fact he said "it's a mans game. We've got our football back" whilst sitting next to an England women's international a couple of weeks after the country went crazy for England women winning the Euro's shows that he's a bit thick.

The fact that he refused to just say he'd made a poor choice of words and actually said he didn't regret a word he said before squirming and wriggling saying he meant two games only, not in general, shows he's a bit thicker

 

I've noticed on social media that there seems to be a growing trend of trying to emasculate men for both their physical appearance and for daring to have emotions. The amount of women I've seen saying men under 6 foot (for example) aren't real men is absolutely ridiculous. I know that's physical but it's crazy just how openly people will state that men under a certain height aren't good enough and the strains on mental health that that causes. Add that to being told to man up, suck it up and be a man and theres no wonder so many men commit suicide.

As a kid I was taught not to show emotion. Boys don't cry. If I was hit by someone, instead of saying I'd done the right thing in walking away I was forced to go back out and hit them back in order to show my manliness. All I can say is that neither of those things helped me in any way. When a close family member died I was told I was weird for not crying. Well yeah because my entire life I was told I wasn't allowed to cry.

People may think things are harmless comments, in reality they're really damaging.

 

Does having a mixed sex panel of pundits for ale and female games help or hinder or does it have no bearing?

Just putting it out there.

 

Makes no difference to me. All I care about is having the most knowledgeable and engaging panel available. Makes absolutely no difference if they're men, women or a bunch of giraffes. Apart from the fact I think I'd struggle to understand giraffes

 

On this occasion, Souness' words have been taken out of context.

However on the whole, he's a footballing dinosaur who's completely out of touch with the modern game.

 

I don’t think Pundits are the problem.
My lad is 11 and is just about to start “becoming a man”.
I am very open with him about the lessons I have learned since being in the same situation at 11. I’d like him to avoid having to fail all the lessons I did, but accept there are some you only pass the second or even third time around.
I hate seeing him being forced into “lad culture” but also don’t want him to be a kid who thinks he’s “too good” to hang around with his peers.
But the one thing I do want him to know is that he can always talk to either me or his mum, and if he can’t talk to either of us he should find someone he can talk to. I’ve lost a cousin and two members of my band to suicide.
Do not want my kids to ever think they have no where to turn.

 

Can you provide examples of what he has said that evidence his being out of touch with the modern game?