Time to give Walton a go

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  1. Red

    Red CB Well-Known Member

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    I might be on my own but I think it is time Jack Walton had a run in the team & give Collins a rest , I believe Collins is in a comfort zone & appears to be undroppable in the league but I find him frustrating to say the least & has made a couple of serious ricks in recent games , the first goal at Derby was purely down to him & Wycombe"s second on saturday despite being a great finish was down to another glaring error from our number 1. I find his laid back approach from goal kicks & free kicks etc extremely frustrating , he takes an eternity to get the game moving which usually ends up with the ball being tapped about using square & back passes thus restricting getting forward when clearly we benefit from playing the game at a high tempo , I know these comments will not be popular but I genuinely think Walton deserves a go , he is no mug & competition for the goalkeeping spot has got to be healthy, when Struber brought him into the side during the great escape he played a major part in us staying up & I think he would relish the opportunity , he played great at Middlesboro & if he repeats that performance at Elland rd then he should be given a chance in the next league game .
     
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    I’d suggest he’s saved more goals being well off his line than he’s conceded ,in fact I’d insist he has . Imo
     
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    If Walton has a good game against Leeds (assuming he plays) then I think it really puts the pressure on Collins - you'd give him 10 games as everyone settles in, if he's still not performing then I'd give him a rest at that point.
     
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    That’s the idea of having 2 keepers capable of playing in the first team. Collins should feel pressured period, that’s what they do push each other for the shirt. I’m not on about 1 or 2 mistakes, but inconsistency, drop in form should lead to a change. Big Val didn’t hang about did he
     
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    Completely agree
     
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    Tough one with keepers, as any error is just magnified. Then when a no 2 does get a chance, they’re expected to perform immediately, despite having next to no game time. No other position has that level of expectation
     
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    I'd play with two keepers. That way everyone will be happy. I wouldn't want either to feel left out.
     
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    Can’t say I rate any parts of Waltons game other than shop stopping and compared to Collins his distribution (which is crucial for a keeper) is awful. Goalscoring not goalkeeping is the issue.
     
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    Think Collins has earned enough to warrant a couple of bad decisions
     
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    I didn't even think goalkeeper was an issue. Wycombe scored some worldies. None of which I thought Collins was at fault for. If anything it was one of those games where you blame the defence and strikers. It should have either been a 0-0 game or a 3-3 game. That's why the forward area needs addressing.
     
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    I regard Walton as competent and Collins as outstanding. Collins hard no chance on Saturday with the first and third goals, and I wouldn't describe the second as a " glaring error" on his part. He is always extremely alert and very cool and composed. He times his challenges really well in the vast majority of cases, and he is very good with his feet.
     
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    Can't argue with that. Collins properly flapped at that corner at Pride Park and dropped McCarthy in the clarts. If he'd stayed on his line the defence would have had a fighting chance of heading it clear. He was also caught off his line on saturday against Wickham.
     
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    Collins outstanding, Really.
    Muller was outstanding.
    Watson. Baker and Steele very good. Lots of others who were better than Collins, who is average at best.
     
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    Different kind of keeper in a different era. He's saved us so many times racing out to clear stuff.

    That said I think Walton would have been starting tonight whatever.
     
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    Would you say he was outstanding. ?
    I prefer Walton anyhow.
    Tomorrow btw J. Hope I've saved you the cost or fuel lol.
     
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    Yes, definitely one of the best keepers in the Championship last season. Surprised we've not had substantial offers for him. I think Walton is a very sold keeper too. If an offer had come in for Collins I would have been happy to have Walton as no.1.
     
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    I agree with you about the other keepers whom you list, but I still stand by my original comments re Collins. Goalkeepers are expected to do so much more these days, and, in my opinion, Collins performs this new role superbly. All goalkeepers, even the very best, make errors now and again. De Gea made loads of mistakes last season, and my Spurs supporting pal was critical of Lloris on a number of occasions in the last couple of years.
     
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    Yes but he's not in the same league as those 2 cos they are exceptional all round. Can't compare. Or he'd be on the same footing. Of course everyone makes the odd mistake (which I haven't mentioned btw). But can't use that for a comparison on ability. Which I'm on about.
    My view is Walton is the better all round of the 2. So would go with him.
    Goalkeepers are very hard to change once established. Unlike outfield players who may be changed after a bad game.
     
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    Obviously it's all about opinions, and we are never going to agree, it would appear, about the merits and/or failings of Collins.
     
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    I've looked at the second goal again a number of times from Saturday. Collins was in a decent position & then stepped back. Gape, who scored would have only hit that shot one time in ten at best. Most would have gone over, or Collins would have caught, or tipped over. It was what is commonly referred to as a "Worldie". The utter collapse by our outfield players after going 1-0 down is much more of an issue. Collins was at fault for the Derby corner no doubt.
     
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