Why do folk keep saying ‘let’s hope they back him’

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  1. Hooky feller

    Hooky feller Well-Known Member

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    You also require strength in depth. Or are back ups not required.
    Money doesn't guarantee success.
     
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    Hopefully mr conway never goes near a football club again especially barnsley fc. The signings of iseka and oulare could do with looking at but yes probably best letting it go.
    I think in duff we got the best manager avalible at the time and im happy he is here.
     
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    You think our current squad has strength in depth? A few injuries and it would be a disaster still think were abit weak upfront but time will tell.
     
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    But that goes for every club though. On Saturday, we were able to bring on a striker with over 300 career games to his name, the best left wing back in league 2 last season, a centre mid who's played in the Premier league (albeit only 6 times), and an international goalkeeper.

    I don't doubt that we could have done with another striker, but now everyone's pretty much back to fitness, we certainly do have some depth.

    Every club would struggle to an extent if they had a few injuries, with the exception of probably Man City.

    And with your point about us making free signings, why does that matter? Backing a manager doesn't mean spending millions on transfer fees, it means getting the players he needs, regardless of cost. A free transfer doesn't necessarily mean a player isn't wanted by others, merely that his contract has run down at his current club. Alex Mowatt left us on a free last season for example.
     
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    Just making the point quality over quantity is not as easy as it sounds. You need cover for if those supposed quality players get injured. (You've actually made a case for quantity or would you rather rely on inexperience totally) It's a case of ballance. At the moment a few players are showing the quality expected of them.
    Cole has been a revelation. As has Thomas and Benson when fit. Kane is quality if kept off the injury list.. The jury is out with some of the new ones. I haven't a crystal ball. Time will tell.
     
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    I believe they want the team to be as competitive as possible and that results on the pitch has become the key objective again - as they said it would, within the financial constraints they deem appropriate. It is what it is but I remain slightly frustrated. By the mismanagement (financial and operational) of the previous Board that has put us in the position where such drastic cost cutting is necessary. As I see it, they frittered away the reserves of cash on transfer gambles designed to increase the value of their investment. The gamble failed and the resultant losses are now being recovered through player sales (mostly) and by cash input by us, the fans. I'm aware that the new Board said they would be investing £1m during the summer (albeit in share capital) but as yet I don't think there's any proof that they have? And yet make no mistake, when this ownership group sell the club as they inevitably will at some point, they will seek to walk away with a profit.

    I struggle to reconcile them not inputting anything to cover even a part of the loss and then later taking money out. There are making positive changes at the club but I want to feel that they're doing it for the motives I believe The Reverend Tiverton Preedy and later Board Members like Ernest Dennis, Geoff Buckle, John Dennis and of course Patrick Cryne had - to be custodians and develop Barnsley FC to be the best it could be and as yet, I've seen little evidence to suggest that the change from the new Board is driven by anything other than a desire to see the value of their investment grow again.

    Edit: The last sentence isn't quite fair I don't think. On reflection, I have seen some evidence. The reinvestment back into local clubs, food banks, reaching out to people in the community etc are all examples. But for me at least, it's not yet enough to change my view that these actions are altruistic and by a genuine interest and concern for the town and the community. Maybe continued actions may alter my view in a year or two.
     
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    Your missing my point really, norwich came down last season if they sold 6 of there best players and replaced them with free transfers who were decent from the league below would their fans class that as backing the manager?

    Im not too fussed about them been free transfers we have sold maybe 5million pounds worth of players but are unable to re invest any back into transfer fees as we have to plug the hole made from relegation and get the wage bill down. Duff has one of the toughest jobs as a barnsley manager ive seen he is doing well so far.
     
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    If the players they brought in were what they needed, yes.

    Don't get me wrong, it was always going to be difficult to replace the likes of Helik, Styles and Morris (I personally wouldn't say we've lost our 6 best players), but if Cundy helps us keep 15+ clean sheets, Cadden assists 15 goals, and Norwood begins to score regularly, you can't argue that they've had an impact. I get your point, but free transfers or not, we've backed Duff. We've also backed the players by bringing in a very good, reasonably young coach.
     
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    I'd be disappointed if we aren't promoted based on what I've seen thus far. It has to be this year without a cash injection because if this crop miss out the best of this crop will be gone balancing the books. Basically back to square one.
     
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    It is possible to create a good “over” achieving team from lesser individual parts.

    That’s what Wilson (first time)and Val did.

    Duff may be able to do the same. Am still not fully convinced as yet.
     
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    Id say in a ideal world duff would have liked to have kept the likes of morris, woodrow, brittain, helik etc he probably knew the score when he was sold the job that there was no budget for transfers etc and the wage bill needed cutting but yes i think we have a good manager here.
     
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    I agree val had his set of players over achieving. Can duff get this squad over achieving and mount a top 10 finish? I dont know but the early signs are good.
     
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    And it seems Duff has to do it the hard way,,,,,,,,,
    by playing actual football!
     
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    When you look at the players who have left, I genuinely think that even had we been a cash rich club they would’ve pushed for a move back to the championship.
     
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    The past 3 managers before duff havent played much football only one qas able to organise 11 players and get results.
     
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    Two bonuses were keeping Andersen & Collins. Hope Collins isn't out for two long, as he is key to how we play with a high line.

    We are lacking up top, but Cole & Norwood are stepping up to the plate.

    I think us being in contention for the playoffs would be a real achievement this season. Who knows, I might be surprised, but let's not get the rose coloured specs on yet.
     
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    I think if barnsley finish 7-10th then it's an under achievement. This league is poor, our team is still jelling together. Yes we've lost some good players (but unlike Norwich we don't get the luxury of parachute payments.) , the players we lost in the summer , I think we all knew they would be sold (I was hoping we could have kept morris and built the team around him.)

    This team will come good, it's shown that from the point against Ipswich and the win over Wednesdays (according to the bookies, the strongest 2 teams in the league).

    We are definitely a striker short , hoping Norwood gets fit and comes good for us. But for me, we should be setting our sights on a top 6th finish. Anything below that is a poor season.
     
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    Surely the signing of players depends on if they were players Duff either wanted or sanctioned,if they are all players he wanted then yes they are backing him irrelevant of cost.
    You also mentioned Leicester and £80m, how much of that did Rodger’s get for signings?
     
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    Maybe the board offered him some of the transfer money we got in to use on transfer fees and he said no its fine all the players i want are free transfers and sell helik aswell... my point was he has a difficult job where the club have to recoup money and lower the wage bill after relegation and the loss of 4k season ticket holders.
    What about my point about norwich further up the post? If they come down from the prem and have to sell 6 of there best players and replaced them with freebies who did well in league one is that backing the manager?
     
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    Ok if Norwich is a poor example united are down for the 2nd season their parachute payments have been cut but have still fought off bids for there best players kept sander berge the best midfielder in the division and backed hecky.
    This summer is one of the biggest sales ive ever seen and we havent spent a bean of the money made so that tells me we cant afford to back him were skint. You think we have backed him i think otherwise.
     

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