The Will of the people Tory Style

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  1. Farnham_Red

    Farnham_Red Administrator Staff Member Admin

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    So a dubious flawed referendum with a small majority in one direction - the policy must be executed at all costs

    Pretty sure the will of the majority of the country isnt to cut the benefits of the poorest in our society to fund tax cuts for the richest. Or to have this brain dead puppet of dubiously funded right wing "think tanks" as our prime minister

    Swearing is banned on the BBS but there are times only profanities will do

     
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    I'm getting nostalgic for BoJo.
     
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    The most laughable thing about it is everything that's been announced in the last week is a tiny drop in the ocean versus lockdown, and yet we're all pretrending it's relevant to the financial state of the country:

    Cost of lockdown and track and trace: £360bn
    Energy bill support package (necessary because of fuel hyper inflation caused by the line above): £150bn

    Compare (per annum):
    Reversal of NI increase: £12bn
    Basic rate of income tax cut to 19%: £5bn
    45% top rate reduced to 40%: £2bn
    Savings on welfare payments in real terms: less than £1bn

    The whole collapse of the global economy is due to the COVID lockdowns, supported by a number of other factors that are infinitisimally small in comparison - Brexit included. Everything else is window dressing and drops in the ocean. So why there's this pretence that they now have to somehow "balance the books" by reducing welfare payments in real terms? Well, as Owen Jones says - they're just evil.
     
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    You’ve added an extra zero on the track and trace figure, and even that is a dubious figure.
     
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    I watched QT last night that had (according to Fiona Bruce) an audience that was dominated by Tory voters. Whilst it was largely condemning of the current Tory policies, there were still people in there that were more interested in attacking Labour rather than joining in the condemnation. Yes, I get that whatever Labour say or propose it has to be scrutinised, but to me it just goes to show there are people out there that will defend and deny any wrong in these horrible Tories no matter what depths they sink to.How many times they have to be reminded that they have been in Govt for 12 years, and even taking the pandemic into consideration, it is all of their own making.
     
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    I think that a lot of em just can't bring themselves to admit they backed the wrong horse' i'm surprised we haven't heard the old " just think if corbyn had been in charge"' comments the generic tory supporter comeback when they don't have anything else. To be fair to Sunak he told them time and again exactly what would happen' were Truss/ Kwarting just too thick to take it onboard or did they just not give a shiny sh##e about the working class scummers' i think the latter..
     
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    Don't that's their plan.

    The only reason he lasted so long is because they had nobody to replace him with - he got rid of anyone with a) a mind of their own and b) any sort of opposition to Brexit.

    Truss is the (un)living proof.
     
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    Essential to protect people and the NHS. Except the £37Bn on track and trace of course.
    Essential to protect the oil companies profits.

    Slightly different.
     
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    The other difference, of course, is that all governments spent on lockdown/Covid and the effects of the Ukraine war - and indeed the UK is the economy of the G7 not to recover to pre-pandemic levels yet - but only the British government has introduced trade barriers through Brexit, expecting the taxpayer to fund oil company profits *and* announcing uncosted tax cuts for the rich without any plan to pay for it (a week after sacking the chief advisor to the Treasury) or any analysis of the effects of these cuts. Any spending cuts announced now will be seen as a kneejerk reaction rather than as part of the plan and are going to be as bad as austerity but without any public support.
     
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    If anyone was ever in any doubt about this country being run by anything other than political ideology, then surely this is their rude awakening.or perhaps not
     
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    I'm talking about the total cost of lockdown, not just track and trace. Track and trace is only about 10% of the total cost of the whole shitshow.
     
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    Jeremy vine doing a piece on them now ,
    What you think of the Torys .
    My guess it’ll be a damage limitation with the labour knockers and Tory apologists in overdrive and they’ll get more air time imo .
     
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    This government are done and they are bleeding us dry before they get booted out of office. That's the top and bottom of it.
     
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    Sorry misread your comment and assumed you’d mistyped.
     
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    When neither side is willing to listen to the other, the seeds of division and hate will continue to be sown.
     
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    The problem is when one side is just blatantly lying its hard to listen to them with any chance of finding common ground
     
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    Common ground can only be found through dialogue. Preconceptions that the other side is lying so you just won't bother talking to them and being open to dialogue is foolish. This angry woman shouting her expletives into the ether on twitter just perpetuates the hate that is destroying our society on all sides.
     
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    Problem is these sorts of discussions and narratives only occur when the Torys are on the Blackfoot , they don’t even blink at the opposition benches when passing controversial bills when in the ascendancy .
     
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    Petition: Call an immediate general election to end the chaos of the current government

    https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/619781

    Just going to leave this here. I appreciate these things often don't make a difference, but in some small way it feels quite cathartic....

    Be also good to get the numbers up before their Conference on Sunday.
     
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    We aren't shocked are we.

     

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