Apologies for this (politics)

Boooooo

 

See other thread .

 

Fair enough, but considering there probably won't be a GE for 2 more years, how do you suggest we tell them what we want? Bearing in mind the recent law changes around public protest....

 

Sign your petition let's have proper brexit that the majority voted for. Hard hat on and I won't be responding no

 

It’s a shame you won’t be responding, because I’m curious as to how you would define a ‘proper Brexit’ - let alone how you know what the majority were voting for, as most didn’t even know themselves.

 

I applaud the sentiment, and if the idea was genuinely in play I would sign it. But the Tory Party has been purged of pro-EU MP's and Labour doesn't want to go anywhere near it after being hammered over brexit last time. Even if the 100,000 signatures were reached you would find that the debate would be scheduled for one of the outer halls and that few MP's would bother to turn up to debate it. Far more realistic, in my view would be a campaign to rejoin the single market without invoking all the trappings of full EU membership. Views towards this more limited realignment do seem to be slowly shifting in the media and amongst economists, given that there is consensus that exiting it has cost us 4% of GDP. Truss's mad plan - even had it succeeded - was designed to generate just 2.5%! And it seems the much-trumpeted post-brexit trade deal with Japan has made the value of our trade with them worse!

(And I will respond to replies if I've anything to add because I don't like telling fellow BBS'ers to go forth and multiply! )

 

I agree about Labour. It was their neutrality on Brexit that lost them the last election. People wanted clarity and although the Conservatives wanted to leave they were the only party that said they'd deliver the mandate. (Yes I know they could have got Brexit done under May).

Labour dismissed Brexit as a protest vote and when they did acknowledge it mentioned another referendum. Also they presented an all singing and dancing manifesto as long as the Bible that seemed too good to be true.

The state of the economy now proves this.

 

I don’t disagree but you have to start somewhere

 

The irony being the Tories said Labour's spending plans weren't realistic then spent untold billions on Covid Measuers.
I don't think you can look at the economy now and say it proves Labours plans were unworkable.
We are paying the bill for Lockdowns, not just here but across the world and the impact that had on worldwide economies. We also have the added pleasure of tackling that with the fallout of Brexit and a War in Ukraine with knock effects on food supply and of course Energy.
I don't think any of that is comparable to some state financed broadband and a extra bank holiday.

 

If there isn't one already, that's the petition I'd start.

 

Many of the things in that manifesto are now being advocated by leading economists....

 

Was it you that posted that manifesto on here? I remember reading it on this forum.

 

Not guilty. It was a right riveting read though....

 

Where was the money coming from baring in mind the Covid pandemic and the war in the Ukraine? Surely all the measures proposed by Labour along with the rest would have bankrupted us even more. I know hindsight is a wonderful thing. However, a recession means there's no money doesn't it? Excuse my ignorance on economical matters.

 

I think they needed to be more concise. That campaign could be summed up in my opinion as too vague. To be honest it won't matter come the next election what their manifesto is. They'll win it anyway.

 

I may have read this wrong but how was any political party supposed to second guess covid, the war and the consequential recession before the last GE? Or have I got it out of context?

 

National borrowing is nothing remotely like family/personal borrowing, as long as there is a credible plan the markets don't get spooked and things just carry on and if the economy grows there is no problem with the national debt. After the war, our national debt was massive but it didn't stop the UK economy from growing and individuals' living standards rising. A country can never be bankrupt as long as the economy grows. The borrowing under Corbyn's plan was eyewatering but nothing like what has happened due to the pandemic...

 

Are there contingency funds? Are disasters factored in?