December Strikes

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  1. Men

    Menai Tyke Well-Known Member

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    This is the modern day Tory party MP’s chance to try and outshine dear old departed Maggie Thatcher.
     
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    #3 doesn't necessary follow as there will always be folk from #1 who believe your unsatisfactory level is their market value and the business will replace you with them.
     
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    dreamboy3000 Well-Known Member

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    Properly gaslit, Stockholm syndrome stuff.

    Even if you earn 6 figures your interests are more aligned with the working class than they are with the people who the Tory Party truly represent.

    I think SD aligns with the Steinbeck quote of people seeing themselves as temporarily embarrassed millionaires rather than the exploited victims of capitalism.
     
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    Proper bootlicker stuff, it's insane
     
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    Stephen Dawson Well-Known Member

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    I often wonder how people would be towards me voting Conservative on this forum if I was a disabled, black, Gay Ukrainian who worked as a train conductor?

    Would the other things cancel out the Tory vote?
     
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    No it would just make you a massive t.w@t
     
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    dreamboy3000 Well-Known Member

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    If you were a disabled black gay Ukraine train conductor I would be impressed as I bet there isn't many of them around.
     
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    Stephen Dawson Well-Known Member

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    Sulking doesn't suit me. I've vented. Off into the sunset I go.
     
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    Red Rob Well-Known Member

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    I like you Stephen, you're a great poster and seem like a good person. You're also incredibly honest and are about the only one who readily admits to voting Tory on here, despite inevitable abuse which you mainly take in good humour.

    However, you haven't done yourself many favours today. Nearly all of the points you make are hugely superfluous to the real issue, like the above.

    To give a timeline on why people are taking the incredibly hard decision to strike - nearly all are key workers, teachers, nurses, train drivers, postmen, etc. All these individuals pay stagnated from 2010-2020, they were promised wage increases that never came and saw their jobs get harder and harder as funding was cut to the bone. Not only are they not being paid a fair amount, they are often incredibly stressed as what they can do at work is never enough. Then the pandemic hit, these key workers were rightly hailed as heroes - better pay, more investment and a better standard of living were promised. It never came.

    At what point do you stand up for yourself Stephen? When do you say enough is enough? At what point does a nurse decide that they haven't been listened to for so long that they will withdraw care to those in desperate need?

    Think about how grave these decisions are, and the huge distress it must cause before labelling those selfish when you have never walked a step in their shoes.
     
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    Stephen Dawson Well-Known Member

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    I work for the NHS and worked through the Pandemic. Shame on me indeed.
     
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    Red Rob Well-Known Member

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    Haha, that's me told! Fair play for doing something good in the world.

    I stand by my post bar the last paragraph though.
     
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    Stephen Dawson Well-Known Member

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    I serve the public and take pride in it. I don't agree with striking. Especially when it prevents front line workers doing their job.

    So yeah if that's selfish, short sighted fair enough. I'll live with it.
     
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    The majority of people who work for the NHS are incredibly unselfish. They work hours and hours unpaid, often to the detriment to their own lives.

    I know loads in the NHS, and every one of them care deeply about what they do and the services they provide.

    The Tories like to beat a drum that they pour in record funding. Whilst on paper that might be true, the reality of rising costs effectively reduce ability to maintain services at current levels.

    It's a rince and repeat from a Tory stand point. They have a history of not funding public services to the level needed. Then they can introduce private companies as a saviour.

    The government have litterally shat on any public service for years. And they do the same thing whenever they are in government.

    Only they get more brutal each time they do get in charge.

    The Tories hate public service. Always have and always will.

    Maybe, keep that in mind when voting if you value the NHS, because they are itching to privatise it like every other public body they have done over the years.
     
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    Good job our forefathers/mothers didn’t have that attitude and stood up for themselves and our futures or you wouldn’t be in a position to agree or disagree.
     
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    Why?

    I've got a member of staff who's working for me on xmas day. He did it last year too. I pay double time for a very short shift, the tips tend to be good, it's a nice atmosphere and I make sure he can get back in plenty of time for his christmas dinner.

    It's his choice whether or not to work, but as an employer it's my job - and in my interests - to make it worth his while to do so.
     
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    Stephen Dawson Well-Known Member

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    You sound like a great boss.
     
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    Sestren Well-Known Member

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    But the point is that I just see it as being a normal boss. We need good employees pretty much as much as they need us, so it should be in everybody's interest to come to an agreement whereby people are happy to work for what they get in return. It's obviously more difficult in larger organisations, but - theoretically at least - that's why we have unions.
     
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    I actually agree with your stance on the strikes, but this statement coming from the person on here who most vehemently advocated for the establishment's lockdown policies which enacted the biggest upwards wealth transfer in history and fuucked the working class for two generations (and was the main causative agent of the inflationary crisis that has prompted these pay disputes!), this is irony on a scale I don't think I have ever seen before.

    If people like you hadn't spent the last two years buuming the government and the laughably titled 'opposition' we - and more importantly poorly paid workers - wouldn't be in this situation.
     
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    If you were a disabled, black, gay Ukrainian you would neither vote Tory nor have the views you have.

    I see you work for the nhs. I applaud that. In what capacity?
     
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