This is where I am with Southgate

You can’t hold the manager accountable for players missing the target from the penalty spot

 

Look back at the match day thread I was saying the same thing at half time we needed to up the tempo and go for it. We did just that and we're very unlucky. Some of your criticism is justified from previous tournaments. However he seemed to have learnt from that, and while things didn't work out I think he has earned the right for another crack at it.
I repeat myself here but he is under contract for 2024 if he wants to ocnitue then he should, sacking him would be disrespectful to all he has done. Now if no signs of progress are made not renewing his contract would be a different matter.

 

Since 1966, we've won 12 knockout games.

6 under Southgate.

He's taken us further than anyone in the history of football not named Alf Ramsay.

He took us to a World Cup Semi Final with an engine room of Lingaard and Young.

We were the width of two posts from winning the Euros.

Saturday was disappointing, but hopefully he stays.

 

Totally agree with what you trying to say pal.....Southgate has done ok......but only OK.....he has been blessed with a tremendous group of young players and also favourable draws along the way(2018 World Cup for one).....he has took us as far as he can for me and definitely cost us the last euros .....in that final he didn’t have either the nous or tactical ability to kill the game off when we went in front early doors ...... no doubts about him being a decent bloke but a Terry Venables type would have won us a trophy with the talent we have had these last 4 years!

 

If I was him I would.
Realistically with this group of players he has the next Euros and then is having to build a new back 4 for the next World Cup, wether that’s a total rebuild or replace a couple.
If he goes now he keeps some resemblance of reputation and what if, if he stays and doesn’t win thenEuros his record will be tarnished.

 

No you can't, but you can blame the manager for the first 25 minutes passing it square along the back line and having his midfield facing their own goal, you can blame the manager for late substitutions (Grealish with 1 minute and 9 seconds of injury time left) everyone conveniently forgets The USA totally outplayed us for the majority of that game, I can blame him for persevering with Henderson in the France game when it was patently obvious that the lad was too slow in deed and thought, I can blame the manager for his negativity when positivity would have probably seen us win trophies.

 

Going back to Saturday game......can anybody whose backing Southgate please explain why Sterling was brought on as a sub?.....he had been to England and back in previous few days!.....Maddison/Grealish/Rashford?.....surely better options at most crucial time in game yet Gareth went for Sterling!

 

With the exception of his introducing Rashford and Wilson in a group game, his substitutions have been utterly nonsensical.

 

What would sacking him achieve? Because we wouldn’t be going for a Jose, or Poch etc. and rightly so, we shouldn’t. It’s not club football and going for a manager like that would take us back to 2010.

If Southgate got sacked tomorrow we’d appoint someone from within the St George’s academy. The FA have told us this is what it was built for to breed not only players but coaches. I love that idea.

Can you imagine the uproar if Southgate went and then we appointed Lee Carsley. Which is what will happen.

Southgate has changed the national team and given me personally some of my best days watching football. He deserves to leave when he see’s fit.

How nice is it for us to enjoy watching England again, and have a decent chance at tournaments. When not only 10 years ago we were picking people because they played for Chelsea, Man Utd and so on, even though they were 30+ year old.

I love Southgate, I hope he doesn’t leave and someone take the country back to those crap times watching England.

 

Im glad there’s not only me that thinks this. England were great, AFTER they went 1-0 down. That first 15 / 20 minutes was negative, let’s keep them out and hope we nick something type football. That only changed after the goal.

That’s on Southgate I’m afraid. He effectively gave a great team a goal start, and you can’t win many games at that level doing that.

For me he clearly isn’t learning lessons from previous tournaments. Whether that’s bloody mindedness, fear, or something else, I’ve no idea. But he is blessed with a ridiculously talented squad of attacking players and he simply isn’t getting the best out of them when it matters.

 

With all due respect, the majority of football under Southgate has been turgid, unadventurous and downright bland.

 

I understand that, but there’s reason for that in my view. He’s used those games in the nations league to test out players in my opinion.

People were calling out for change, he delivered it and we learnt that they aren’t good enough at international level yet.

He’s building teams for tournaments and we turn up for them. You can’t argue that the 3 major tournaments we’ve been involved in haven’t been enjoyable? That’s all that matters really isn’t it? We turn up for them.

Players like Guehi, Tomori, Bowen, Gallagher, Abraham, Ward-Prowse. The list is endless, the change of players since the last World Cup has been massive. You can’t expect us to be at full intensity the whole time. We have to find a system and 23 players for the next tournament. Southgate has done that well.

Saturday was one of those days, it didn’t go for us. It’s football, it happens, and always happens to England. But I think we were the better side and with abit of luck on our side we win that game more than we lose it. I think it’s harsh blaming Southgate for that.

 

To keep doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different outcome is futility in a nutshell.
He's been given time and the best crop of talentin years to work with and he's constantly got it wrong.

 

Not bothered reading all this thread but what I do know is their are a lot of better players around than what We have and also better teams, Southgate should take his time and make a decisive decision on what He’s going to do if only for the youngsters he brought into his team.
Unfortunately Greizman took the piss for half n hour too long

 

He isn’t doing the same thing though.

I sound like someone on talksport here because I don’t really know the stats on this. But I’d guess, under Southgate he’s given the most debuts out, or brought back players than any other manager. I’d wouldn’t be shocked if non of his squads have ever been the same.

Only weeks before the tournament folk were slating him for always playing a back 5. He didn’t do that all tournament.

If you were the head of the FA and you sacked Southgate now, who would be your alternative?

 

Southgate best England coach of my time - stats are clear. I'm as frustrated as anyone about England's failure to get over the final hurdle, but at least we get there. Anyone here remember when we didn't even qualify? His he perfect? No. But I'm glad we have him after the Erickson and Capello years.

 

How many knockout games in tournament football did we win prior to Southgate. How many have we won with him in charge? It's easy to look up.

 

The obvious one would be Eddie Howe, but he'd have to take a pay cut and he probably wouldn't take the job yet.

 

Semi Final; Final; Quarter Final. Sack him? Let's get real.

We were not close to beating France. They had gears they didn't need to go to. We have one or two talented players but are a bit of a rum mix when we come up against the real top teams in world football. The squad assembled is probably as good as we can muster, but it is patchy at this level and too many of them are content to play ponderous, leaden football. Southgate motivates this team to over-achieve, and not the other way around. The fact that he is a thoroughly decent man and a mentor/role model for the players is a considerable bonus. England have had a good tournament, but that is as good as they are.

 

I could get on board with Howe, and if Southgate did walk, I wouldn’t be against that.

But as I’ve said above I do believe the next lot of coaches will be promoted from within and folk will be disappointed with the next appointment. The public won’t give them a chance and it’ll take us back to pre Southgate.